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and good afternoon good evening and good

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night folks you're listening to arcane

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radio

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i'm sean the fork chop forker joined as

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always by lon strickler

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the everyman over at

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phantomsandmonsters.com

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broadcasting to you live from high atop

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the pajama factory in williamsport

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pennsylvania lon how are you doing

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doing pretty good been a busy week but

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hanging in there

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busy week indeed and uh well i'm not

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having a busy day i've been

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i'm on a little five day sabbatical here

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so we're gonna do some uh

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arcane radio and some investigating on a

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case i'm working on

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and uh man i tell you i'm excited to get

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started albert rosales was supposed to

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be our guest tonight unfortunately

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circumstances prevented him from joining

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us but we are rescheduling him from

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another day

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yeah um he'll come he'll come back with

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us uh he has some family issues so uh

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uh we're gonna have uh we're gonna have

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butch witkowski join us a little bit

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later uh he's gonna talk about some new

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developments as far as the case we've

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so uh it will be interesting so

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looking forward to that what an

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interesting show we're going to have

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here tonight

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and but we've got some interesting

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topics to talk about here before we get

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yeah it's been a it's it's been a few

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uh you know of course the m tooth

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uh monsters and mysteries was on last

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uh you know it's first i had seen it and

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it was interesting i can say that uh

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actually i i think the um i think the

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made it a little more frightful than

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what it very well may have been but then

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you know it was uh it's put this way

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it was probably a scarier scenario than

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i thought it was

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when i actually took the report so uh

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from an entertainment standpoint the

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show was phenomenal i really enjoyed it

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three three segments that were on there

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the spotsville monster barton nutley

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always butchered that last name you know

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tongue tied but the show was good i i

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found that segment to be quite

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interesting and entertaining the tornado

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odd it creeped my wife out when her and

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i watched it together she wasn't a fan

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but uh it was that was interesting it

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wasn't something i was

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familiar with and as you and i joked

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lack of a better term entities that uh

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joplin that massive

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tornado that went through and did a lot

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of damage there years ago

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it was like a guardian angel or you know

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more than anyone they're the ones that

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didn't get much about it so i'm glad we

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were able to do a little investigating

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and uh you know watch this show and

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find out a little bit more about this

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strange phenomena

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interesting to say the least lon but of

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course you know the segment you and i

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is your little cameo there in the

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program the mantis man finally made its

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uh many people in hackett's town had not

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heard about this of course you know

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that they hadn't seen anything like that

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who knows how to do a graphic of a

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mantis man so i guess they did as well

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but uh you know it's a strange phenomena

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i i'm really hoping that if somebody

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else sees something

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they contact me and uh you know

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last time uh in fact butch has talked

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i will have to wait and see well count

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me and if you decide to go i'd like to

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check that out myself something really

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phenomena you've talked about it for

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just by the story and it was something

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actual event and to me that was

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that was really important to understand

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phenomena to me the most compelling part

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i think it's a non-terrestrial i think

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it's a non-terrestrial

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or from another planet or what or where

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planes of existence uh it may be able to

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coming in to feed coming in

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just to explore you know i don't know

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non-terrestrial and of course this

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with aliens a lot of these races or

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species of aliens

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the program she goes it's like one of

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those insectoid aliens

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i'm like how the hell do you know about

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those and she goes i do pay attention

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i think it's an extraterrestrial but

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information backed up but that's what it

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just reminds me of but watching you know

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listening to the witness recount how it

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like the show kind of had it more of

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recounting it was very

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uh very like slowly fading

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away and i have to say that when you're

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talking about the grays you either the

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it's not like if they show up in your

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bedroom they're coming through the doors

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disappear uh fade in fade out

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for me i think we could move this thing

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quote-unquote paranormal

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nonetheless lawn monsters and mysteries

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good showing uh lauren coleman reports

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running his never-before-revealed

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hear his recounting of this never before

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sighting i have heard of this phenomena

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i i have talked to at least one person

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who

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claims to have seen this thing

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all right now i don't know if it's a

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seam i don't know it's the same

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cat or whatever it is that that

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coleman's talking about

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but this phenomena is is known

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so cryptid yeah i think this is def

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encrypted

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i think there was a um there was another

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type of cat species of big cat species

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seen in the same general area not long

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ago

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uh this southern illinois

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western kentucky eastern missouri

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area is ripe for a lot of cryptid

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activity

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of course the land between the lakes is

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in this general area as well so there

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are there are

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there is a lot of phenomena that goes on

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that area so

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including absolutely including the ufo

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because the

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ufo that the sightings from

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year 2000 the southern illinois

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st louis sightings of that huge

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craft that was that all the police

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departments had seen

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uh well known for that as well so um

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i don't know you know it'll be

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interesting to see i i i am

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i'm glad you mentioned it because i had

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knowing about it but i'll definitely be

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watching it

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me too it's a good wednesday night

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activity

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yeah it was uh not much going on on a

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wednesday night i think it finally found

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its uh

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time time span where it really belongs

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you know not really going up in

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competition with anything else

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uh not on the weekends when there's a

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lot of other programming

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on there that people are trying to fight

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for it was

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on the friday night for a while and then

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they replaced that with that tna

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wrestling

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and then they moved it to that saturday

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night spot and i think it fits right in

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place

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right at home on wednesday nights i

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think that's going to be a good time for

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it yeah i think a lot of those

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paranormal shows are trying

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to move in the prime time in the week

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now uh

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i have noticed that some of them are

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doing that and of course

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you know it's you know m2 is part of

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uh that's part of the discovery channel

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so i think they are kind of moving their

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program into the week

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so you know they got a lot of other

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different programming

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some good some bad but you know

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uh i think i think monsters and

354
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mysteries is a fairly well done

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production i mean you know some stories

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are maybe a bit contrived

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have a little bit of entertainment value

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added to it but

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for the most part it's a it's a good

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product and uh

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i've enjoyed working with them you know

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bound to happen for television

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it really is and i mean aside from that

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you know little

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scares put in there overall good quality

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program for uh

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you know taking the core material and

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actually doing something good rendition

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of it

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i think so kudos to that program again

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we talk about it every

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every time we do a show because it gives

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us something to talk about

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yeah well i think you know i tell you

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the the the story editors the story

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producers

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and i've talked to there's two or three

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of them there in particular i've talked

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to

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uh they have bounced some ideas off of

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me

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over the years and uh of course they've

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done two of

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my stories as well but um they really

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dig i

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gotta get i don't know if i'd want that

387
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job but uh they're they're really uh

388
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they're really dedicated to finding some

389
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really odd things and i think they've

390
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done a pretty good job of that

391
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me too me too well speaking of uh

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paranormal phenomena and new things

393
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yesterday while i was doing my daily

394
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facebook surfing

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i stumbled upon a new type of

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a new type of phenomenon called the

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black stickman

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you mentioned that before the show and

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this is uh

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from uh micahackerman.com the nuclear

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blog lawn

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i don't know if you've been on there but

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i'll read this to you quick

404
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a new phenomena has been reported

405
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recently and i thought it sounded

406
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interesting so i decided to let you guys

407
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know about it

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reportedly in the last few years people

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have seen entities which can only be

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described as black

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stick men these creatures appear to be

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black stick figures that often are cited

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around dusk or dawn

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reports have had them walking on the

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sides of roads or in alleys and they

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seem to follow the unlucky person who

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witnesses them

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another strange things about these stick

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figures is that they make no

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sound and cast no shadow rumor also has

421
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it that the figures are often charged

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with some form of electricity

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most often reported as static people who

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encounter these reportedly shy

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these reportedly shy beings often have

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strange feelings of anger or agitation

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the theory is that whatever energy

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these entities are charged with causes

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an atmospheric effect that makes people

430
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feel very strange

431
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at the least these stick figures should

432
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not be confused with shadow people

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but it may be possible they are all

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somehow related

435
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what little is known about these

436
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creatures is based on eyewitness reports

437
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they don't seem to be tied to any

438
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,360
particular haunting tragedy or area but

439
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the one thing is for sure

440
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incidents in which black stick figures

441
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are witnessed

442
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has increased recently from the spirit

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seekers website the details of what

444
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little there are about these creatures

445
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apparitions seem to be consistent from

446
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story to story

447
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the appearance usually takes place along

448
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a deserted road or in an alleyway away

449
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from bright lights and

450
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prying eyes the person encountering the

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stickman more times than not report

452
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,800
being tired

453
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the figures move smoothly as if gliding

454
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they do not make any sound although the

455
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air around them is reportedly

456
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charged with static the actual stick men

457
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themselves seem indifferent to us unless

458
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provoked or if they realize they have

459
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been spotted

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then they will flee quickly or in some

461
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rare instances will approach quickly in

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a frightening display

463
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of aggravation however there have been

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no reported incidents of anyone being

465
00:16:01,509 --> 00:16:00,480
touched or harmed by the mysterious

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beings

467
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,600
the only indications of their intent

468
00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:05,279
have been reports of vague feelings of

469
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malevolence though some feel this has to

470
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,480
do with the disturbances in the

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00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:10,800
atmospheric barometric pressures

472
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that often accompany a sighting and if

473
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anyone out there has witnessed these

474
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,040
creatures please post your experiences

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in the comments section of the

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micro micahackerman.com i'll repost this

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on the

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arcane radio page and folks if you have

479
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:27,360
some familiar instance with this please

480
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,720
send it to us

481
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,480
alan and i would like to hear about this

482
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:33,120
new phenomena called the black stickman

483
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,920
you know it sounds from most of the

484
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,360
sightings but not in california

485
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:39,120
didn't say specifically in this report

486
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,560
where they were coming from

487
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:42,560
i tell you it sounds like a phenomenon

488
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:44,639
that was reported about five or six

489
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:47,600
years ago called the nightcrawlers and

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uh

491
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i don't know if you remember seeing this

492
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:52,639
but these beans

493
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looked like stickmen and they would

494
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but they were white in color and they'd

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come out at night

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and they'd roam around in open areas

497
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and you know people were threatened by

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00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:09,280
them but i don't i don't

499
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:12,160
know what else other than that it would

500
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:13,039
you know if there was

501
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,199
any malevolence or any type of contact

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00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,799
with people

503
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,799
it kind of sounds like that in a way

504
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because you know if you know when you

505
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,199
say stick

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people they it kind of looked like that

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now

508
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but uh that's you anything i think i can

509
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,080
think of

510
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the fact that it's this static

511
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electricity type of feeling

512
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:39,919
or energy it does kind of seem like a

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you know a paranormal type of

514
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deal here that may be something that's

515
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doing you know

516
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involved with emf or

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you know some type of uh spirit energy

518
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,280
maybe

519
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i don't know well you know the thing

520
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like like the article said is often

521
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accompanied by a feeling of agitation

522
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perhaps a thought form of some sort

523
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,679
possibly

524
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it's possible though if it was a thought

525
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,000
form

526
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it would probably take different shapes

527
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:14,480
but then again you know these

528
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:15,520
you know when you're talking about

529
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thought forms uh

530
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,480
just like the slenderman you're not i

531
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,760
think that's turned in

532
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,760
the thought form realm now other you

533
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,120
know after the

534
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:27,600
internet mem and then it has become a

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thought form

536
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,400
this very well may be the same type of

537
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:32,480
thing what the hell do you think about

538
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,440
slender man

539
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,000
lon is that is that something real i

540
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,080
think it has become real

541
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:40,559
in the sense that some people have made

542
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,200
it real you know that's a fine line

543
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:44,720
between reality and

544
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in fiction but quite frankly thought

545
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:49,600
forms

546
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are fiction to a point that

547
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,480
you know they're not there's not

548
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something that everybody can see

549
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,360
because it's one person that is actually

550
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:00,960
manifesting it

551
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,160
um you know i think that's what

552
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:05,840
slenderman has turned into

553
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,559
maybe in some instances you know every

554
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:10,080
you know some people take a

555
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:13,919
take a interest in it they get involved

556
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:14,240
with

557
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it they kind of gear their life to it in

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some sense

559
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,160
and they may get to the point where

560
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they're hoping to see it and manifest it

561
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,640
by accident

562
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,240
and i i think that's uh you know you

563
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,760
know robin swoop has talked about that

564
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:31,679
he and i have talked about this as well

565
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:34,720
i think it has caught gotten to the

566
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:35,120
thought

567
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:39,440
form or tulpa level now

568
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,880
so um you know i and i think this is a

569
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,000
phenomena

570
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that if it's if it's continues to be

571
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,320
mentioned

572
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,600
in these forums or on the internet as a

573
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:53,039
uh

574
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:56,960
you know as it's kind of like a um

575
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:59,520
a viral thing i i think that it's gonna

576
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:00,799
you know it's gonna continue

577
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,080
i think i think the the slenderman

578
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:06,559
phenomena is gonna continue and people

579
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,760
are going to uh probably act on it or

580
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,880
report seeing it

581
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,400
well and i think you make a good point

582
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:14,960
there lon it's as real as people make it

583
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,080
sure but when you're using it as a

584
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,280
criminal defense

585
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,520
you know what i mean you know the case

586
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,440
out uh out west where they're

587
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,640
using the slender man as the uh made the

588
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,240
other person kill someone else i think

589
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,000
that's something that we have to

590
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:32,400
really tie down like you say the reality

591
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,280
of it

592
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,000
it's as real as we make it right so you

593
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,520
know i think in her situation she

594
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,440
actually believed it was real

595
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,039
and i think she actually believed to

596
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:42,880
talk to her now

597
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,520
you know peop some people swear in

598
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,280
poltergeist situations that they

599
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,200
communicate with the uh

600
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,200
the entity uh you know i don't know if

601
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,799
that's true or not never mind they may

602
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,000
think that

603
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,760
uh you know there's actual mental

604
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,320
illness that should go into that

605
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,400
yeah i think it's been determined she

606
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:02,559
she has a screw loose but you know

607
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,240
she still acted upon it so and i think

608
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,640
it's probably a pretty good defense in

609
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,240
their case

610
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,520
uh as far as using it as a uh you know

611
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:15,360
as a mental issue well you know it kind

612
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:17,919
of screams back to the defeo case

613
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,200
can you use the paranormal as a as a

614
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,919
as a defense and a murder case and it

615
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:25,840
didn't work out too well for him

616
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,080
well yeah ronnie defer i um

617
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,159
i think there were some other things

618
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:33,600
beyond that with him i

619
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,039
i think uh there was some type of energy

620
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,720
in that house

621
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,960
that just connected with him and he

622
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,480
ended up you know he ended up

623
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:45,360
letting it get to him and uh you know it

624
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,080
was mental

625
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,840
there's no doubt about that the guy's a

626
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:49,440
flake but the uh

627
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,320
he acted upon it now you know that story

628
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,320
always has fascinated me for a lot of

629
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,840
reasons

630
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,559
but i i i myself don't think he did it

631
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,520
alone i think

632
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,440
one of the sisters were involved well

633
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:03,120
they have speculated that for some time

634
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,159
now too

635
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,600
but i think the thing that was kind of

636
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,200
telling from that and i just watched

637
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:08,880
something briefly on it today

638
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,840
the in search of with leonard nimoy go

639
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,880
figure uh

640
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:15,679
lutz was experiencing similar feelings

641
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:16,320
and

642
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,080
were noting the

643
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:21,919
the oddness and the similarities of how

644
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,400
the two men even looked

645
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,080
so i don't know before we turn this into

646
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,039
a show about the uh amityville

647
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,480
we kind of transitioned there pretty

648
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,840
quickly which is all right and i guess

649
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,520
you know maybe that is a topic worth

650
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,799
exploring

651
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,159
let's take this from the end of the

652
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,679
spectrum we're at now from the black

653
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,919
stickman and go opposite to the strange

654
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:40,480
tall

655
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,080
white albino beings lon yeah this was a

656
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,320
story that chris hawley sent to me

657
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,159
today so i posted on the blog

658
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,159
i kind of perused it somewhat so maybe

659
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:53,760
you want to

660
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,919
talk a little bit about it she's

661
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,480
chris usually post or write stories

662
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:01,520
about

663
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,880
personal uh encounters she has but most

664
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,760
of the time it's

665
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,400
encounters that friends and neighbors

666
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,600
and such

667
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,679
in her in her neighborhood in long

668
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,640
island and

669
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,760
she comes up with some pretty

670
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:15,840
interesting things uh

671
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,880
but this is uh you know i think this

672
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,559
kind of goes back to

673
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:23,600
another another uh species

674
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,120
are supposed species of alien uh

675
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:29,280
that people have been uh have been

676
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,320
experiencing

677
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:32,000
well you know it's interesting to say

678
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,360
the least and uh

679
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,039
i believe if i'm recalling this i'm

680
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,960
trying to pull up the article right now

681
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,280
uh this happened to a woman at the end

682
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,360
of long island montauk right montauk

683
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,039
point

684
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,720
all right and here it's pulled up here

685
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,720
do you want me to read it i can read it

686
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,600
for the audience and again this comes

687
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,799
from chris holly

688
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,360
i was sent an email by a woman who lives

689
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:55,200
on the end of long island new york at

690
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,400
montauk point

691
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,080
she told me that she often walked her

692
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,840
two large dogs on the beach along the

693
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,440
atlantic ocean coast

694
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,520
on the end of long island the woman told

695
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,279
me that she often reads my articles and

696
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:07,279
remembered one i wrote years ago about a

697
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,480
strange

698
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,279
tall very white odd looking family that

699
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:13,360
lived on long island in the 1960s and

700
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,640
they're not talking about the kennedys

701
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,400
folks

702
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,320
this lady told me that while walking her

703
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,840
two large dogs during the months of

704
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,279
december and january

705
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:23,120
she witnessed a strange family with a

706
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,400
huge strange dog

707
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,799
also walking on the beach she told me

708
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,400
they were extremely tall and seemed to

709
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,320
be two couples of albinos with about

710
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,919
four or five children with them running

711
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,679
along the beach as the adults walked the

712
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
dog

713
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,520
she told me she remembered my article

714
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,880
and wanted to know if i had any other

715
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,720
reports of this strange family being

716
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,279
seen on long island

717
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,279
i contacted the woman who told me she

718
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,039
stopped seeing the strange group of tall

719
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,600
albino people at the end of february

720
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,679
she told me she found them to be so very

721
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,120
odd that she asked the people in the

722
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,720
town shops and her friends and neighbors

723
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,320
if they have seen the group

724
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,640
the only other person who claimed to

725
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,080
have seen them was an older man

726
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,760
who would feed the birds along the shore

727
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,360
on the beach but he only noticed them

728
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,120
once and did not recall ever seeing them

729
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,830
i questioned her and found the woman to

730
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,679
be concerned about the people as she

731
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,720
felt they were

732
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,400
something other than human and felt very

733
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,720
uncomfortable when walking near them

734
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,960
she told me her large dogs who were very

735
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,480
protective and a bit on the aggressive

736
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,080
side would whimper and stick their tails

737
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,760
between their legs dragging her away

738
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,799
from the group

739
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,400
refusing to stay close to them which

740
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,159
ended with her being dragged into a

741
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,080
half-run downed beach

742
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,760
away from the strange group of people by

743
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,559
her frightened protective pets

744
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,120
in all the years 50 years since 1965

745
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,720
since my family and i encountered the

746
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,799
same type of tall albino people this was

747
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,120
not

748
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,679
this was the first time anyone in my

749
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,520
area ever talked about them not

750
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,080
uh seeing them not only on long island

751
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,240
but anywhere

752
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,760
and then they go on to write the

753
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,400
original uh original article

754
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,600
so it's very strange so that th this

755
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:58,720
lady

756
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,000
and one other person sees this very tall

757
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,240
family of albino people also walking

758
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,840
their dog but nobody else notices them

759
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:07,919
but one other person

760
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:11,200
i i think this is a situation and like

761
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:15,360
some others i have uh i have read and

762
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:18,720
people have told me about where

763
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:23,919
these non-humans certain non-humans are

764
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,320
are

765
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,640
detected by certain humans in other

766
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,159
words

767
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,640
the the this the humans that are

768
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,320
reporting or mentioning

769
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,039
are one of a few that have the ability

770
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:36,880
to see these things and

771
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,840
you know i i think excuse me i think

772
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,400
that's

773
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,039
i think that may be what's going on here

774
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:44,880
um

775
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,720
i think a lot of that happens in

776
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:52,240
cases of encounters where someone says

777
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,799
they see

778
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,919
this type of being and the other

779
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,880
person's

780
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,720
around them and they can't see it as

781
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,000
they can't see it

782
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,520
at the same time or have ever seen it

783
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,679
what causes that i don't know is is it

784
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:07,360
controlled by

785
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,320
himself or is it just something that

786
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,440
uh you know maybe possibly that

787
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,320
somebody's

788
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,840
able is able to see into an alternate

789
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,559
universe

790
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,399
i don't know that's that's the best

791
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,159
thing i can come up with well again you

792
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,399
post a very interesting point there and

793
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:28,000
it goes back to something you said

794
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,120
before and

795
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,440
we'll rehash it here for just a moment

796
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,279
perhaps there is something

797
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,320
to a certain subset of people lon

798
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,360
that may have that ability to quote or

799
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,640
unquote pierce beyond the veil

800
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,720
or just have an open mind enough where

801
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,840
they can witness these type of phenomena

802
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:49,279
and there's something interesting about

803
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:49,600
that

804
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,279
or am i just full of hot air i don't

805
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,440
know you know what i mean and it's it's

806
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:59,520
fascinating to me why do some people see

807
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,559
things and other folks

808
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,720
don't but at the same time you look at

809
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,919
children right

810
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,960
that uncorrupted pure mind that hasn't

811
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,159
been diluted with

812
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,240
the world saying things aren't possible

813
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,640
you know to kids everything's possible

814
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,399
and yet they see things that we don't

815
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:16,000
see on almost a daily basis

816
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,440
and they interact with things that we

817
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,360
don't on a daily basis

818
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,799
we usually call them figments of their

819
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,559
imagination but then again you take that

820
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,320
one step further and you ask yourself

821
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,640
perhaps there's something more

822
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,799
to that and that's where i'm kind of at

823
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,320
with this perhaps there are folks that

824
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,080
don't lose that

825
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,440
for lack of a better term let's just

826
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:35,039
call it that childlike wonder that

827
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,480
uncorrupted thought

828
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,960
that you know that thought process and

829
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,520
they can see these things and they can

830
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,120
you know perhaps there's something more

831
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,520
to that and maybe that's the key

832
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,360
to opening up this whole realm of the

833
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,720
paranormal the otherworldly the

834
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:49,919
supernatural

835
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:53,200
well you know i think that and you know

836
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,600
i knew

837
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,320
i used to think that it was uh a

838
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,240
non-corrupted mind

839
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,919
and i thought about i thought that for a

840
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,279
long time

841
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,399
but over the years i've kind of

842
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,919
gone more to the theory that it may be

843
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,840
brain chemistry or some type

844
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,880
that a younger brain either has some

845
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,919
type of uh

846
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:17,039
chemical in their brains

847
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,039
that causes certain abilities

848
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,720
that they aren't something that they

849
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,360
lose you know as they grow older

850
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,399
um it may be that may be classified as

851
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,720
corruptable maybe it's something that

852
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,080
you know is spurred on as they start to

853
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,640
as they start to live life and people

854
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,960
tell them they can't do this or do that

855
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:41,200
and they just lose that ability but i i

856
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,240
think there's something

857
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:45,679
there um that is

858
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,279
that is unadulterated and uh is allowed

859
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,200
to happen

860
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:53,360
but i think it's a more chemical basis

861
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,480
and it is just

862
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,600
you know the fact that they're in fact

863
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,520
it's a fault thing or something that

864
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,720
they uh

865
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:03,840
that they pick up from someone else i

866
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,320
don't know

867
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,200
i mean perhaps it is uh it is it is

868
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,799
fascinating

869
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:12,000
that you know and i've investigated

870
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,039
cases like this

871
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,840
many times where children just see

872
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:18,000
certain things

873
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,520
uh another situation where we've got

874
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,120
it's happened twice now in the last

875
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:26,880
couple of months where

876
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:30,320
a child can recall a past life

877
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,200
to such detail and

878
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,799
there have been instances that before

879
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:38,640
but as the child gets older

880
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,840
they start to lose that connection they

881
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,320
start to forget about it because they're

882
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,960
actually getting on with their life and

883
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:48,640
the past life

884
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,159
recall is is gone um

885
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,720
i i think a lot of this i mean i know

886
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,320
it's being investigated i know it's

887
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,919
being looked into

888
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,919
but it's a fascinating it's fascinating

889
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,240
phenomena and uh

890
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,519
maybe we'll be able to uh

891
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,480
you know expound on it at some point and

892
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,320
use it for some good

893
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,440
i don't know well i hope so i mean

894
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,559
you know we're never going to get

895
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,919
anywhere unless we ask the questions

896
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,200
that's true

897
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,840
and i think that's where uh you know

898
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,240
perhaps a a focus point could be put

899
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:23,440
into

900
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,230
well you know i yeah it's it's it's

901
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,919
that's why i like doing what i do

902
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:32,799
because

903
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,159
i get the opportunity to

904
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:39,519
experience people that experience

905
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,440
other things just put that one and uh

906
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,559
it's something that of course i

907
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,320
you know i probably would have never

908
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,640
thought of unless i had the opportunity

909
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,080
to uh

910
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,039
to discuss these things or talk to

911
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,279
people about their abilities or

912
00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:00,159
the things that they see do or

913
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:00,880
experience

914
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,120
so you know it's uh it's great but

915
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,480
you know some of the things you hear

916
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,880
sometimes you just gotta

917
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,200
kind of step back and think uh do i want

918
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,240
to present that

919
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,000
you and i certainly are blessed with the

920
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,399
ability to be able to talk and

921
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,440
uh listen to people who experience

922
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,360
really strange and unusual phenomenon

923
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,120
and impacts their life so greatly that

924
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,000
they seek us out to talk to us about it

925
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:28,320
more so you than me i get the bigfoot

926
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,039
stuff you get

927
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,480
everything else and uh you know for me

928
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,240
i kind of take you know responsibility

929
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,600
to that to those people that

930
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,519
you know are putting so much trust in us

931
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,480
to you know counsel them or

932
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,559
give them uh information that sometimes

933
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,480
we just don't have the answers too long

934
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,080
and the fact that we're just willing to

935
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,159
listen and really not pull

936
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,080
any judgment on them that that service

937
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:52,080
is invaluable to them and and you know

938
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,480
this

939
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,960
shows kind of a thank you you know for

940
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:57,039
that gives us the opportunity to kind of

941
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,480
talk

942
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,480
about these phenomena open without

943
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:02,080
judgment and i think like i said i think

944
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,399
we're

945
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,440
someone's looking out for us

946
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,760
for that you hadn't mentioned roy i had

947
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:09,200
um

948
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:12,399
i had posted some on the blog concerning

949
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,519
um

950
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,760
disclosing certain details of stories

951
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:18,080
when i get them and in particular

952
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,840
uh on encounters or alien abductions

953
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,039
um you know the question

954
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,760
i basically asked everybody was you know

955
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:29,440
should i

956
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:33,919
present every little dirty detail that

957
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,120
i get from you know from a report

958
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,159
or should i just leave things out even

959
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,960
though it may not be

960
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:47,840
you know it may be not be something that

961
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,240
adds any value to the story

962
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,960
but should report everything you know

963
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,360
and

964
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,600
uh you know i've thought about that from

965
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,039
the very beginning

966
00:34:00,870 --> 00:34:00,000
even with david eckhardt's ordeal he and

967
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:00,880
his family

968
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,919
you know i've i've rarely written

969
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,760
about you know the involvement that i've

970
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,639
had with the suspected alien encounters

971
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:10,720
even abductions

972
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,480
but um now of course this todd c's

973
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,040
death case which may eventually prove to

974
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:19,599
be a non-terrestrial type of influence i

975
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,440
you know i for the most part i've kept

976
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:26,639
other type of findings uh and

977
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:29,760
my conclusions out of the blog

978
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:33,119
i i just don't really think it adds any

979
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,000
value at

980
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,639
putting such things in there and the

981
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:37,839
real

982
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,839
sword sort of details uh

983
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,839
that you know i don't want kids getting

984
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,919
on there and reading some of this stuff

985
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,599
freaking out or stuff like because you

986
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,599
know i can't control who reads the blog

987
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,440
but you know you make a great point on

988
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:53,119
that and we were going to save it for

989
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,399
later so what the hell we might as well

990
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,079
talk about it now though yeah

991
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,599
you know as a

992
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,359
you know we'll call you a journalist

993
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,480
because that's what you you know

994
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,760
essentially what you are

995
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,680
right you know you're chronicling these

996
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:07,040
you're reporting on them

997
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,160
you know i think there's a certain

998
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,839
responsibility where when you're writing

999
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,520
this information it shouldn't do

1000
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,280
harm to the people that are coming to

1001
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,880
you and trusting to you

1002
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,880
with this really delicate sensitive

1003
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,720
information and i don't think people

1004
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,760
understand

1005
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:22,400
folks going through something like this

1006
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,040
uh

1007
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,520
you know the tremendous amount of

1008
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,280
ridicule that they experience this isn't

1009
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,880
something lon especially in these

1010
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,000
abduction situations

1011
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,079
where somebody's sees something running

1012
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,680
across the road the middle of the night

1013
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,000
this is something extremely personal

1014
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,079
and extremely emotionally upsetting and

1015
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:40,160
painful that has to be handled with the

1016
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,040
utmost

1017
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,599
delicacy and you know one i commend you

1018
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,359
for that for not taking these people and

1019
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,200
making them public pawns and puppets

1020
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,720
because it just shows a testament to

1021
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,640
your character that you do care

1022
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,320
enough about these people i'm not saying

1023
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,920
that because you're my co-host i'm

1024
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,839
saying that because you're a human being

1025
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,839
and from one human being to another

1026
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:59,520
that's a pretty awesome thing to do is

1027
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,960
not take advantage of somebody in such a

1028
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,200
situation for lack of a better term it's

1029
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,960
it's a tremendously personal powerful

1030
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,920
experience and

1031
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,400
you're treating it with such uh

1032
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,280
credibility

1033
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,320
and in good taste and i fear that with

1034
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:15,599
people

1035
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,520
you know maybe they are giving out a

1036
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,880
little bit too much and i know you

1037
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:22,240
struggle with it because there are times

1038
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,440
you and i talk you're like

1039
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:24,800
i don't know if i want to talk about

1040
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,680
this or put this out there

1041
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,920
i think that's a good thing and you know

1042
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,960
as we talked about

1043
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,839
on show notes with shannon uh ligro the

1044
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,560
other night

1045
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,960
and you know just we touched on it

1046
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,880
briefly about uh what you should

1047
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,079
disclose

1048
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:42,079
you know i think as professionals you

1049
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,359
know not that we

1050
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,640
can claim to be professional

1051
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,240
investigators or whatnot because we know

1052
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,839
that term doesn't exist

1053
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,520
but in any kind of professional setting

1054
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,640
when you're doing some sort of

1055
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,760
investigating

1056
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,440
you have to establish some sort of

1057
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,280
personal baseline ground rules that you

1058
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,280
just won't violate

1059
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,359
and uh if that's you know really

1060
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,440
sensitive personal information and stuff

1061
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,800
that you know you're not writing jerry

1062
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,720
springer paranormal sitcom stuff out

1063
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,760
there

1064
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,440
right and honest to god research and i

1065
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,960
think that's the difference if you want

1066
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,040
that please read it somewhere else

1067
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,560
but i think it takes somebody with a

1068
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,480
certain set of integrity

1069
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,359
and values to not report that that way

1070
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:19,040
and i think it's a lot more beneficial

1071
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,240
to the people

1072
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,160
who are disclosing this information that

1073
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,480
other folks so we can collect today the

1074
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,920
other folks that are experiencing this

1075
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:27,119
kind of phenomena

1076
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,640
can come to you and say this is a

1077
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,480
trusted sower someone who's not going to

1078
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:31,599
use me

1079
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,440
as ratings or as a you know a portfolio

1080
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,040
to make money off of this is something

1081
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,800
that's going to treat me as a person

1082
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,560
and that's a huge difference and you

1083
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,720
know one i commend you for that but two

1084
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,880
i think more people we really need to

1085
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,320
get into that line of thought that these

1086
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:48,160
are actual people in situations that we

1087
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,200
need to protect

1088
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,640
even if we're going to report on it we

1089
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,960
still have to protect well you know i i

1090
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,440
posted this article yesterday

1091
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,839
and i had a full mailbox this morning

1092
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,240
now some people

1093
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,440
i'd say the minority you know

1094
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,520
agreed with me you know i got to be

1095
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,640
careful what i say

1096
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,119
you know show some you know continue

1097
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,119
showing integrity as far as

1098
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,280
the information you know that is

1099
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:14,960
supplied to me

1100
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,040
and you know also

1101
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,400
to you know you know leave some things

1102
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:23,520
out that really don't

1103
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,720
add any value to the story but

1104
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,040
you know on the other hand i got blasted

1105
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,119
by a lot of people

1106
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,960
saying that well you know regardless of

1107
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:35,440
the fact you should disclose

1108
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,960
regardless you know put it out there

1109
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,359
you know it's better to disclose things

1110
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,200
and i'll be quite honest with you

1111
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:46,079
you know i subscribe to some of the

1112
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:46,960
logic that

1113
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,599
people may not be ready for certain

1114
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,119
specifics you know

1115
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,960
just like the government says well you

1116
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,800
know you know the government knows

1117
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,359
what's going on with ufos and aliens but

1118
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,760
quite frankly they're not putting it out

1119
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,280
there and there's a reason why they're

1120
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,560
not putting it out there

1121
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,480
i don't i may not agree with it all the

1122
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,160
time

1123
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,480
but i think in my case since i'm not the

1124
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:10,160
government and i'm not responsible to

1125
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:11,440
everybody

1126
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,910
uh i think it's best for me to

1127
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,440
[Music]

1128
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
you know disclose less controversial

1129
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,520
particulars and uh

1130
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,920
now i may i you know quite frankly if

1131
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,200
i'm not writing it down

1132
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,760
and i'm on the radio i may disclose a

1133
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,359
few more things

1134
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,920
but like i said again i i don't want to

1135
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,599
put it out there

1136
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,839
that for certain people that shouldn't

1137
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,320
be reading it to get it and to

1138
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,520
you know start using it possibly against

1139
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,680
one of the witnesses or you know make

1140
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:43,359
getting the wrong impression when i'm

1141
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,480
writing

1142
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,400
so you know it is a fine line yeah i

1143
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,800
tell you i i sit on a lot of cases

1144
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,560
there are a lot of them that i get that

1145
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:51,920
i sit on

1146
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,000
and uh you know i don't put it out

1147
00:40:02,950 --> 00:39:59,599
there and i i think it's it's probably

1148
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:02,960
in the greater interest to do that but

1149
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,400
you know it it is a constant battle

1150
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,680
well you know i think if there's

1151
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,440
something controversial you know as you

1152
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,920
said those controversial particulars

1153
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,599
i think they should be disclosed by the

1154
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,520
experiencee don't you that should be

1155
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:18,079
somebody that should be there

1156
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,760
their right to come out and say this is

1157
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,839
what happens or they come to you and say

1158
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,800
lon

1159
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,319
we've been sitting on this and you've

1160
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:25,760
been giving to folks a little bit you

1161
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,560
know what

1162
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,920
hit them with the rest of it let them

1163
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,680
know what's really going on

1164
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,680
that should be their choice not our

1165
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,359
choice you know and if folks are

1166
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,280
uncomfortable with that i'm sorry

1167
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,040
but you want to read a tabloid go pick

1168
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,040
up weekly world news if these folks

1169
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,800
want to disclose what's going on with

1170
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:43,359
them they have the right to disclose the

1171
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,400
information to us

1172
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,000
we don't have the right to take that out

1173
00:40:48,430 --> 00:40:47,680
from under him and do what we want with

1174
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,440
it that's not

1175
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,359
responsibility that's being a trash

1176
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,280
journalist and it's being

1177
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,839
just a trash investigator you know what

1178
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,119
possible harm

1179
00:41:00,710 --> 00:41:00,160
could come to these folks and again you

1180
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:00,720
know

1181
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,400
a variety of opinions on this as well

1182
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,240
and i don't want to alienate

1183
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,359
i don't want to alienate any of them but

1184
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,440
personally for me speaking from my

1185
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,839
perspective

1186
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,440
and let me just frame this for a second

1187
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:17,599
and i apologize for this brief

1188
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,920
brief pause but we don't know

1189
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,160
what the government knows we don't know

1190
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,160
what certain fringe groups know correct

1191
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,920
we don't even know if these groups learn

1192
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,040
or even reportable to the government

1193
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,800
why would we want to put somebody in

1194
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,319
danger why would we

1195
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,480
want and i'm not saying that there is a

1196
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:38,160
real threat or a real credible danger

1197
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,960
but there's that

1198
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,040
mind that part of my mind that says what

1199
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,000
if what if sean what if lon

1200
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:46,000
that there is something more nefarious

1201
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,359
out there or what if

1202
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,440
there are people and these agencies

1203
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,200
keeping track

1204
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,079
of these things and what what happens if

1205
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,680
something befells

1206
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:58,160
our witnesses or befells one of your

1207
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,119
contacts

1208
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,280
i'd feel pretty terrible about that oh

1209
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,480
that's exactly

1210
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,000
i mean i don't take a lose a fair

1211
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,160
attitude with anything i get

1212
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,280
and in particular with david's you know

1213
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,480
situation

1214
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,720
and i told david from the very beginning

1215
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,480
you know that dave and i talk

1216
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,720
occasionally and i get updates from him

1217
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,160
but i told him in the beginning you know

1218
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,079
i i appreciate that i got all the

1219
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,839
information i got from him

1220
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,760
but there are some information i just

1221
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,079
i'm certainly not going to put out there

1222
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:29,200
now i may talk about it you know

1223
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:32,720
with other colleagues and researchers

1224
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,240
uh you know where i think they need to

1225
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,599
know maybe a particular

1226
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,560
you know uh detail but as far as

1227
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:41,680
actually putting it

1228
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:45,280
in print or you know explaining

1229
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,119
the the bad and the bad parts of what

1230
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,359
or something i feel is not really that

1231
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:52,720
great to put out

1232
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,319
i'm just not gonna do it and uh

1233
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,240
and i think david kind of pushes me a

1234
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,640
little bit to want me to do that

1235
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,800
but i've kind of held off on it you know

1236
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,920
you would think it'd be the other way

1237
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,880
around

1238
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,440
but uh there are just some things i

1239
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,119
don't know if i want to put out

1240
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,319
and you know david's story i probably

1241
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,880
have disclosed maybe half of it there's

1242
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:17,280
a lot of there's a lot more out there

1243
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,000
and um you know maybe one day

1244
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,319
but you know it's just not his case

1245
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,599
there's other cases too

1246
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,480
that i uh other situations that i you

1247
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,240
know i get some pretty

1248
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,960
like i say pretty sorted details that i

1249
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,720
i just feel

1250
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:38,000
best left you know in the file for the

1251
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,319
time

1252
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,560
being and if i need to get it out i'll

1253
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,359
get it up

1254
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,359
there you have it i guess one thing that

1255
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,359
we can talk about here lon not to wrap

1256
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,480
us up but we do have a guest to bring on

1257
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,720
but uh we would be remiss if we didn't

1258
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,640
talk about the paranormal roundtable

1259
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:53,520
event on

1260
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,359
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1261
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,240
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1262
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,520
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1263
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,520
from 9 am to 8 pm

1264
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,000
tickets on sale now for fifteen dollars

1265
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,359
on on the internet

1266
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,000
twenty dollars at the door a round table

1267
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,599
discussion driven by the audience

1268
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,960
featuring members of the keystone

1269
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,240
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1270
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,240
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1271
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,560
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1272
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,160
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1273
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,359
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1274
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,800
with you and i being there with our

1275
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,720
sparkling personalities tentatively

1276
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,040
because you know things may change

1277
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,359
but uh gonna be a great event and i'm

1278
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,880
looking forward to it and again that's

1279
00:44:40,349 --> 00:44:34,079
on april 18

1280
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,910
alhs18011.org

1281
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,079
and pick up your tickets and uh you know

1282
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:46,000
post on the arcane radio page event that

1283
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,119
we created

1284
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,160
arcane radio on facebook and let us know

1285
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:51,440
if you're going we'd like to hook up and

1286
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,920
see you

1287
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,079
and pick your brain what's going to make

1288
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,800
arcane radio the best for you

1289
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,079
and yeah i think it's going to be a good

1290
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,319
experience all around um

1291
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:03,200
i think a lot of situations that that

1292
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,079
have not been

1293
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:07,119
disclosed may possibly come up and

1294
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,839
that's great

1295
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,760
that's good for everybody yeah and one

1296
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,800
of the gentlemen who will be in

1297
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,640
attendance in fact the man who put this

1298
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,599
together

1299
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,240
mr butch witkowski from the ufo research

1300
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,079
center of pennsylvania and the editor

1301
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,560
of jar the journal for abnormal

1302
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,240
abduction research

1303
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,079
and just a little bit about butch butch

1304
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,440
witkowski has been an independent

1305
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,760
researcher since 1989

1306
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,440
when he along with four other people

1307
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,760
witnessed a ufo of unbelievable size

1308
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,920
quietly hover above a mountain in tucson

1309
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,200
arizona

1310
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,079
it was totally silent burned copper in

1311
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,760
color in at least three football fields

1312
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,920
in length it moved slowly up and down

1313
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,760
then rose upwards moved forwards and

1314
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,319
vanished at lightning speed they all

1315
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,920
agreed on what they had just seen

1316
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,200
however calls to the sheriff's

1317
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:50,880
department the news media and the local

1318
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,400
air force base yielded no citing reports

1319
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:57,280
butch began his own investigation into

1320
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,400
ufo phenomena

1321
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,960
on that day after joining mufon the

1322
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,480
mutual ufo network

1323
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,800
butch was able to dig deeper into past

1324
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,800
and existing cases and even pursue

1325
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,200
more on-site investigations but his

1326
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,880
research was still lacking something and

1327
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,640
he wasn't getting to the crucial answers

1328
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,280
that he was seeking

1329
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,800
it was time to go about his work in a

1330
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,319
different manner and after almost a year

1331
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,720
of serious reflection and consideration

1332
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,720
butch started the ufo research center of

1333
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,800
pennsylvania in 2009

1334
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,319
and brought together some of the best

1335
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,760
like-minded researchers he could find

1336
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,280
the use of multi-disciplined

1337
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,599
investigators enhanced ufo

1338
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,960
uh ufo r cops finding a fact-finding

1339
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,400
like no other group that he's aware of

1340
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,440
at the present

1341
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,359
the primary objective is to pursue both

1342
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,200
the historical cases and new cases that

1343
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:45,040
arise with hopes of bringing resolution

1344
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,480
to some of these cases of high

1345
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,680
strangeness

1346
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,359
they have also fielded two fully

1347
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,440
equipped mobile units and have affiliate

1348
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,359
affiliate groups in nine states even

1349
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,040
including one in europe

1350
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,720
and mr butchkowski is going to be

1351
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,119
joining us here in a few moments so sit

1352
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,960
back relax and enjoy

1353
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,560
this brief blip because you're never

1354
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,839
going to hear a commercial because we're

1355
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:05,119
going to cut it and then when we come

1356
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,790
and we're back arcane radio sean forker

1357
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,160
the fork chop himself

1358
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,760
and mr lon strickler from phantoms and

1359
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,079
monsters with our good friend as you

1360
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,440
heard the intro before the little break

1361
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,680
there from mr butch buckowski butch how

1362
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:22,960
you doing tonight man

1363
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:26,319
i'm doing fine guys how you all doing

1364
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:30,000
we're hanging in there a good show so

1365
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,480
far

1366
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,079
it's been a busy week for us i think

1367
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,680
it's been a busy week for everybody

1368
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,680
so butch we got you on here you know

1369
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,040
you're our uh

1370
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,800
uh kind of our uh i don't want to call

1371
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,160
you filling because you're always much

1372
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,160
more than a felon but you are

1373
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,319
the man we can always count on to stop

1374
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,400
on and talk about the strange unusual

1375
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,160
world we live in

1376
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,839
and uh we're just glad that you could

1377
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,400
join us tonight and i know just by

1378
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,400
following you on facebook

1379
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:57,760
that you put out a new edition of jar

1380
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,800
yes yeah the newest edition went up uh

1381
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:03,440
day before yesterday i believe yeah day

1382
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:04,839
before yesterday it went up

1383
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,119
um it's uh

1384
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,760
really going well a lot of cases to put

1385
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,640
in

1386
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,319
stagger them to not

1387
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,559
let them be so case heavy if you know

1388
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,160
what i mean to really

1389
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,319
because the groups that do submit stuff

1390
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,240
you know they have things going on so i

1391
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,480
kind of put that out there for them uh

1392
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,000
more this month and then next month

1393
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,760
there's like four or five new cases to

1394
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,359
go in

1395
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:33,040
but they say it's doing very very well

1396
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,559
and i'm sure elaine douglas is looking

1397
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:36,000
down on us somewhere and going like

1398
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,500
damn finally worked

1399
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,359
[Music]

1400
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:42,640
yeah she uh boy elaine i tell you that

1401
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:43,280
was

1402
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:47,040
one lady who did a lot of work 27 or 28

1403
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,680
years worth

1404
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,319
yes it was i mean i mean when you look

1405
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:51,359
at her finals on

1406
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,720
on her on the elaine douglas site

1407
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,800
which is managed by marilyn carlson at

1408
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,150
the the stuff that she had i mean the

1409
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:04,079
stuff she collected the papers that she

1410
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:05,040
got from

1411
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,240
places that she shouldn't have never

1412
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,960
really got and uh you know we were

1413
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,000
fortunate

1414
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:12,160
ruber left her book collection and i'm

1415
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,280
still finding books

1416
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,920
that i've never heard of written by you

1417
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,400
know like

1418
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,559
jacqueline and i can't find them i mean

1419
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:19,839
i have a copy here

1420
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,119
now but um

1421
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,760
books on near-death experiences uh

1422
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:27,119
bigfoot

1423
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:31,200
uh ufology of all types uh creatures

1424
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,280
i mean she was into everything and

1425
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,119
i mean her library's taking up pretty

1426
00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:39,680
much my dining room right now but

1427
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,480
we'll take care of that shortly

1428
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,960
[Laughter]

1429
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,559
i you know i expected a box or two of

1430
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,480
books i didn't expect yeah

1431
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,960
eight boxes of books and they're big

1432
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:51,280
boxes

1433
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,640
uh so why don't you uh we we did talk

1434
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,319
about the um

1435
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,800
the paranormal round table that's coming

1436
00:50:02,870 --> 00:49:59,680
up in

1437
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,880
april uh why don't you give the folks

1438
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,480
your assessment of what this is going to

1439
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,000
be well

1440
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,400
the paranormal roundtable was just an

1441
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,720
idea i had a long time ago

1442
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,000
and finally got put together um you know

1443
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:15,680
conferences are conferences

1444
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,040
and they cost a lot of money and

1445
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,960
basically you're paying to go see the

1446
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:22,640
same people most of the time the same

1447
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,440
time

1448
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,599
and hear the same stories about roswell

1449
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,200
and this and i mean stories that have

1450
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,400
been out there for

1451
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,599
50 years nobody talks about

1452
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,280
what's going on now or what they're

1453
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,119
doing or what research

1454
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,760
is moving forward what's become stagnant

1455
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,280
what's a hoax

1456
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,119
so i thought you know if i got some

1457
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:42,880
groups together

1458
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,790
and uh the albertus

1459
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,599
lockridge historical society uh is

1460
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,720
putting it on

1461
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:57,200
and the proceeds will go to restoration

1462
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:57,760
of their

1463
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,359
1870 memorial church headquarters

1464
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,440
and uh what is it's just going to be a

1465
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,640
roundtable discussion

1466
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,400
uh it's going to be the guys from the

1467
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:08,000
groups up front the people in the

1468
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,119
audience

1469
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,839
and they can ask what they want to ask

1470
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,280
they can ask what we do

1471
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,280
how we do it what type of equipment we

1472
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,200
use

1473
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,040
what have we found what have we not

1474
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,800
found what are we

1475
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,000
looking at now um

1476
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,920
i'm sure they're all going to have cases

1477
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,359
that you know they're going to ask about

1478
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,520
that maybe we can help them out with

1479
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,440
uh so it's really it's going to

1480
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,640
encompass

1481
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,400
you know ghost hunters and the

1482
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:36,559
paranormal and cryptozoology

1483
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,040
ufos uh 14 cases

1484
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,800
just basically all the cases of high

1485
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,200
strangeness in the state of pennsylvania

1486
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,640
and i'm sure we'll get cases that are

1487
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,800
out of pennsylvania but

1488
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,559
the groups are going to be involved you

1489
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:51,920
know it's a ghost hunters inc

1490
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,640
um incorporated the keystone bigfoot

1491
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,760
project

1492
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,400
uh which i'm sure long's familiar with

1493
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,680
and um

1494
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:02,000
sean should be more familiar with just a

1495
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,359
little bit

1496
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,359
legend hunters uh dave ruppert and his

1497
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,119
crew uh phantoms and monsters

1498
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:09,760
of course long and ourselves uh ufo

1499
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,160
research

1500
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,640
in pennsylvania and it's gonna start at

1501
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,440
nine in the morning

1502
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:15,359
uh it's gonna be going through until

1503
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,480
eight o'clock at night there will be

1504
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,720
food on the premises um the place that

1505
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:21,520
is being held at which is the albertus

1506
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,119
lockridge um uh what's it called

1507
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,319
um yeah they're gonna have they have a

1508
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,520
food service there

1509
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,200
so people be able to get you know drinks

1510
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:32,960
and food if they wanted

1511
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,160
um it's going to be different

1512
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,870
nobody's going to be up there putting

1513
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:42,319
them a powerpoint presentation and

1514
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,599
giving their

1515
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,359
you know predetermined speech that

1516
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,640
they've been given now for

1517
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:49,200
many years it's just going to be

1518
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:50,319
one-on-one with the

1519
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,630
the the amount of information that these

1520
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,760
groups have

1521
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,400
as opposed to what they would normally

1522
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:02,160
get from

1523
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,760
speakers at a conference at a large

1524
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,480
conference is just going to be

1525
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,880
pretty much never been done before that

1526
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:10,800
i'm aware of

1527
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,000
and the price is right you know

1528
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,920
it's uh fifteen dollars pre-sale and

1529
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,280
twenty dollars and four

1530
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,280
but they're limited to 300 seats and the

1531
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,960
300 seats i understand are going

1532
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,760
really fast uh there are going to be

1533
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,880
some people there that

1534
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,520
are not going to be speaking but they're

1535
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,880
going to be there for information if

1536
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:30,559
it's wanted i'm sure

1537
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,190
our good friend larry is going to be

1538
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:38,880
there

1539
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,319
to discuss human uh

1540
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:45,359
combustion spontaneous human combustion

1541
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,880
larry arnold and some folks are

1542
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,000
some folks are coming up from

1543
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,160
philadelphia uh from the starborn

1544
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,520
support group which is an abduction

1545
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:55,680
support group

1546
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:58,880
and i'm just hoping that we get get a

1547
00:54:02,950 --> 00:53:59,359
lot of

1548
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,960
sightings are up in the northeast part

1549
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:05,359
of pennsylvania and central pennsylvania

1550
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:09,200
but there is very little in the way

1551
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,470
mufon has some investigators i believe

1552
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:17,839
in lactawanna

1553
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,680
county but really central pennsylvania

1554
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:23,680
is a real hot spot

1555
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:27,760
and you know the clearfield county

1556
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:31,040
center county all those areas are just

1557
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,599
wild

1558
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,520
with you know when you look at the old

1559
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,119
reports

1560
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,480
i just i'm not if i was looking at

1561
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,240
sean's reports today

1562
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:41,119
and uh some of those are you know really

1563
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,839
good reports

1564
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:44,240
and pbs they have a bunch of reports out

1565
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,440
there

1566
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,559
and um of course we have this creature

1567
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:50,480
report going on up in up in clearfield

1568
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,200
but

1569
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:53,119
i think the paranormal round table is

1570
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,559
going to be really neat it's going to be

1571
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,799
a lot of fun

1572
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:58,400
it's and basically it's a one-on-one

1573
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,440
with the people that want to know what

1574
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,720
we're doing

1575
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,680
that's that's it you know nobody tells

1576
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,960
anybody what they're doing they just do

1577
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:06,319
it they file a report and then they put

1578
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:06,880
it up

1579
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,799
end of it i mean never goes any further

1580
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,640
than that

1581
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,760
there's a lot of people that have

1582
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,760
questions to what we do and how often

1583
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,200
we're doing things and and

1584
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:20,000
you know the thing is uh butch and lon

1585
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,040
you guys both know

1586
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,960
is sometimes we don't have the time to

1587
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,440
sit down and put it on the website or on

1588
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,960
the report that as much as we'd like to

1589
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,640
be transparent about things and get

1590
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,000
information out there

1591
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,520
it's not always possible due to

1592
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,040
constraints of life

1593
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:35,520
uh yeah exactly and and uh you know i

1594
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,160
have people

1595
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,839
uh send me emails want to know about a

1596
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,440
certain piece of equipment

1597
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,839
or or how can they do this or how can

1598
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,359
they do that or where's the best place

1599
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,720
to find this or where's the best place

1600
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,480
to find that

1601
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,000
and i try to answer them as fast as i

1602
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,720
can but you know when you get 60 70

1603
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:52,079
emails

1604
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,520
every morning you know you're it's just

1605
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,880
loaded with emails not just from

1606
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:56,319
pennsylvania from all over the country

1607
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,640
because

1608
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,119
our group is all over the country but

1609
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,440
one of the things that's

1610
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,920
uh has always intrigued me was you know

1611
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,040
somebody from

1612
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,839
maybe florida will call up uh or send me

1613
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,400
an email

1614
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,839
and want to discuss a case in

1615
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,160
pennsylvania whether it be a bigfoot

1616
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:14,880
case or a paranormal case or

1617
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:18,240
or or ufo case and it just amazes me

1618
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,200
that you know

1619
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,880
when you find out that well they used to

1620
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,480
live in

1621
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,400
pittsburgh or they lived down in reading

1622
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,160
you know they're from the state

1623
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:28,240
they just moved away i a fellow from

1624
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,680
louisiana just contacted me told me

1625
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,559
about this

1626
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,640
great report that you know i don't know

1627
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:34,079
he didn't give it to mufon mufon didn't

1628
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,280
exist when he gave it

1629
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,200
gave it out but made might have been

1630
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:38,960
april or one of those

1631
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,880
early groups but as he's describing

1632
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:45,040
the scene i'm looking at overhead on

1633
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,000
google

1634
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,000
and now this is case is very old this

1635
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,240
guy's 71

1636
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,480
72 but he just wanted to tell somebody

1637
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,599
about it

1638
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,359
and he's telling me how this craft came

1639
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,520
overhead of a junkyard that he was in

1640
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:59,200
he collected car keys so he would go to

1641
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,480
the junkyard every now and then on the

1642
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:02,799
weekend and just swipe all the keys

1643
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,839
he said he had a great collection and he

1644
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,280
saw this craft above the water

1645
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:10,240
and the river running down spukel river

1646
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,599
running down past it

1647
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:13,040
and he starts to describe this and i'm

1648
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,480
looking at his describing he says yeah

1649
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,680
there used to be an old bridge

1650
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,960
or there was a bridge across there well

1651
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,040
i can see where the bridge used to be

1652
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,640
and he said then this road ran up this

1653
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:22,319
way and he said if he said if you can

1654
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,680
visualize this man i didn't tell him i

1655
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,960
was looking at google

1656
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,559
and he says the parking lot's here and i

1657
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:28,559
can see the cars the junkyard's still

1658
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,280
there

1659
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:32,079
a shed in the middle of the yard where

1660
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,880
they used to just

1661
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:35,280
you know put tools and he said that's

1662
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,319
where i hid out

1663
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,960
and he said it actually scanned the you

1664
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,079
know light came through

1665
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:42,559
the cracks in the woods and stuff and

1666
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,520
it's just neat that

1667
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:46,000
you know people see that remember that

1668
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,559
stuff

1669
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,160
and although they never reported or if

1670
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,599
they did report it you know to

1671
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,119
to one of the older groups that never

1672
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,839
put their stuff forward

1673
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,480
to hear those kind of stories and then

1674
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:58,000
when i looked up the area that he said

1675
00:58:02,870 --> 00:57:59,440
that happened in

1676
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:02,880
it's also rich with a lot of of

1677
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,079
nowaday reports on ufos

1678
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,960
and it kind of hits a a favorite spot

1679
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,000
alarm and i

1680
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,520
which was this is just outside of

1681
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:17,430
so um i think the paranormal table is

1682
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,920
going to be

1683
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,559
a great day a lot of fun it's going to

1684
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,000
be good to intertwine the groups all

1685
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,359
intertwining because i'm sure there's

1686
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,880
all information we can share between

1687
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,440
ourselves not only with the public

1688
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,000
but um we'll have our va we'll have our

1689
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,839
big van there with all the equipment so

1690
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,280
people can actually see that we really

1691
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,040
do have that equipment

1692
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:38,079
and um i think it's just going to be a

1693
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:38,799
good day

1694
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:42,160
a good fun time for everybody

1695
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,280
yeah i think it's going to be quite

1696
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,440
interesting and i think

1697
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,079
that it gives everybody an opportunity

1698
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,680
to uh

1699
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,160
you know to tell something that maybe

1700
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:54,000
they've been sitting on for a long time

1701
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,319
but

1702
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,400
uh well you know you know they contact

1703
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,040
us by email they hear us on the radio

1704
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,599
or or they talk to us on facebook they

1705
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,720
but their chances of them

1706
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,960
really meeting us face on head on head

1707
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,839
on head to

1708
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,960
to really discuss something that's like

1709
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,079
sean said you know there's a lot of

1710
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,520
things going on so

1711
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:13,200
it's not like you can spend four hours a

1712
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,480
day sitting on your front porch waiting

1713
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:16,880
for people to drive up and talk to you

1714
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,960
that's right so i i it's an opportunity

1715
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,760
uh both for the groups uh the people in

1716
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,200
the groups to

1717
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:27,119
uh talk to the folks and the folks to

1718
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,400
talk to us and

1719
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,839
hopefully i'm sure we're gonna get new

1720
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,280
reports i'm sure we're gonna get a lot

1721
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,040
of good questions i'm sure we're going

1722
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:35,040
to get some strange questions

1723
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,359
but um it's uh so far it's

1724
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,680
tickets are selling very well they think

1725
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,599
it's going to be a sellout so

1726
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,760
anybody didn't get their ticket yet

1727
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,599
maybe you want to do that because uh

1728
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,520
like i said they're limited to 300 seats

1729
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,599
and that's it i mean there's no standing

1730
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,480
room after the 300 seats are taken

1731
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,640
yeah that far fire marshal might frown a

1732
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,079
little bit when you start packing

1733
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,559
buildings up yeah

1734
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,319
you see some standing up outside and on

1735
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,760
the roof and stuff yeah that's not going

1736
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,880
to go over well

1737
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,160
you know but she said something a few

1738
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,920
moments earlier and i just wanted to

1739
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,920
touch on it quick because

1740
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,400
uh you know we talk about like you said

1741
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:13,680
looking through some of the old reports

1742
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,880
on keystone bigfoot and other places

1743
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,240
you know we're starting to get a lot

1744
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,079
more reports from the northern tier and

1745
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,680
the north and central part of the state

1746
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,559
because they now

1747
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,599
know someone's out there investigating

1748
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,079
we we live in an area particularly up

1749
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,680
here where there aren't a lot of people

1750
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:31,200
investigating this kind of stuff

1751
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:34,480
credible people anyhow and i think again

1752
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:34,880
this

1753
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,160
going to further

1754
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,799
further our cause of getting that

1755
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:42,559
information out to there are people in

1756
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,359
this area that

1757
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:46,319
really want to legitimately look into

1758
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,200
your

1759
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,480
established people we're not new we've

1760
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,000
been doing this a long time

1761
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,880
and we can't do this without you yeah

1762
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,960
that and the fact that you know if

1763
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,520
if it goes as well as i think it's going

1764
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,480
to go

1765
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,480
uh i'd really like to hold one up in

1766
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:04,000
that area um

1767
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,359
you know maybe it's a local fire coming

1768
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,599
maybe an outdoor maybe an outdoor thing

1769
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,200
uh doesn't have to be indoors in the

1770
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,440
summertime could be outdoor

1771
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,839
you know combine a round table with a

1772
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:14,799
star watch

1773
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:20,870
some training on how to investigate you

1774
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,440
know bigfoot sightings

1775
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:24,799
there's a whole realm of things you can

1776
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,520
do and

1777
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,520
so i'm i'm i'm hoping that it kind of

1778
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,760
catches on and we can move it around the

1779
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,119
state

1780
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:35,359
uh because it's like you said there are

1781
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,520
there's a lot of territory

1782
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,760
you know in that northern tier and the

1783
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,359
north central tier

1784
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,599
and although it's not populated like

1785
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,880
philadelphia

1786
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,200
but there is a population and these

1787
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,640
people see things whether it's in the

1788
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:50,559
sky or on the ground

1789
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,400
or or it's a paranormal event and

1790
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,400
like you said it's it's kind of slim

1791
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,839
pickings when it comes to finding

1792
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:58,960
somebody that's gonna you know

1793
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,079
either show up or call you or or follow

1794
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:03,760
up on the case

1795
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,200
and um i think it's just good for

1796
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,319
us as investigators and researchers and

1797
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:11,839
it's good for the public because now

1798
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:12,799
they have

1799
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,920
somebody they can call or talk to or you

1800
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,880
know have somebody

1801
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,000
you know come and look at these

1802
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,000
footprints they saw or

1803
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:22,240
or see pictures of what they took you

1804
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,280
know it's just

1805
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,880
i just think it's a good all-around

1806
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:26,160
thing for everybody that's going to be

1807
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,359
involved both the public and the

1808
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:29,599
researchers

1809
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:32,720
benefits a good cause yeah

1810
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,160
the uh i've been to the place twice um

1811
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:37,839
the alberta's locker ridge historical

1812
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:40,559
society that 1870 church when the first

1813
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:41,520
time i walked in it

1814
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,720
i thought oh this is going to be just

1815
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,520
you know run down all beat to death

1816
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,359
the outside needs work they're working

1817
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,359
on that now painting and stuff

1818
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:50,880
but when you walk inside it looks like

1819
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,000
it was built the day before yesterday

1820
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:56,799
i mean it's gorgeous i mean the the pews

1821
01:03:07,750 --> 01:02:57,359
the

1822
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,760
it's just gorgeous and you know it was

1823
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,680
really taken care of

1824
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,760
and in the basement is where the actual

1825
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:13,280
historical society is

1826
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,480
where they have all the you know

1827
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:16,640
historical stuff from the area

1828
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:20,160
but the church itself uh is just

1829
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,000
it's amazing it's really something to

1830
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:24,480
see and and anybody that's going to show

1831
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:25,200
up i mean

1832
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,240
you know whether they go up early

1833
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:29,839
to just drive up the street it's only up

1834
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:31,039
the streets that's all i gotta do is

1835
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:32,400
drop the street just look at the place

1836
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:33,680
take pictures

1837
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,400
it's it's um it has some paranormal

1838
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:37,920
activity

1839
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,200
uh the alberta's uh um lockridge furnace

1840
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:43,039
which is down the street about

1841
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,799
a block that's also a historical site

1842
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,200
i mean they have everything there from

1843
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:50,880
way back they had indian wars in that

1844
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,079
area there are burial mounds there are

1845
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,440
spirit sightings photographs of spirits

1846
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:59,920
um a lot of strange stuff goes on down

1847
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:00,640
there

1848
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:03,599
so that's just an area that's been

1849
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,319
preserved

1850
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,960
from the 1860s and 1870s and it goes

1851
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,480
back even further than that with with

1852
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,520
settlers

1853
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,200
so there's a lot of history there so the

1854
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,880
history buffs that show up

1855
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,359
they can stroll around the next day and

1856
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,559
stay overnight and

1857
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:18,000
do whatever they want but it's really a

1858
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,990
uh butch you mentioned earlier talked

1859
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,240
about clearfield and

1860
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,920
some of the weird things going on up

1861
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,680
there and of course

1862
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:32,400
sean and i know that it's it is

1863
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,520
definitely

1864
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,160
a strange area of the state but of

1865
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,160
course you um

1866
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,480
you got a report back in november last

1867
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,400
year concerning a

1868
01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:45,280
possible cryptid sighting and the state

1869
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:46,920
gained lamb in

1870
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,240
331 which is in clearfield it's actually

1871
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,000
close to dubois i think

1872
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,200
yeah once you talk about that report

1873
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:57,119
now we have talked about sean and i

1874
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,559
talked about it a bit

1875
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,599
before on other shows but uh

1876
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:03,839
why don't you talk about this and let

1877
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,079
the folks know what's going on there

1878
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,119
and what's been going on and what we

1879
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,200
plan on doing

1880
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:14,000
well we got a report that the actual uh

1881
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:15,119
event took place

1882
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,400
on november 6 of 2014

1883
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,960
and a gentleman a retired airline pilot

1884
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:22,799
and military pilot of 40 years

1885
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:25,119
uh was walking his dogs like he does he

1886
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,079
said on a nice

1887
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,079
day he takes his two y mirandas out for

1888
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,000
a walk and he usually goes up to the

1889
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,280
state game lens 331 uh which uh

1890
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,760
the area he was in this near the further

1891
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:36,720
end toward penn

1892
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,839
toward penfield and uh

1893
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,680
he's a hunter he's hunted there all his

1894
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,359
life he's familiar with the area he

1895
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:45,520
doesn't live far away

1896
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,799
and uh as he's uh

1897
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,559
he parks his truck gets his two dogs out

1898
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:52,079
of course they're unleashes he's walking

1899
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:53,680
up a fire trail

1900
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,880
and for your listeners that don't know

1901
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,799
what a fire trail is that's just a wider

1902
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,400
trail so they can get fire apparatus in

1903
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,920
case of a forest fire

1904
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,440
he walks up the fire trail he gets up

1905
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,039
about 150

1906
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:05,520
yards from his truck and the dogs start

1907
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,640
to go crazy

1908
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:08,240
they're pawn at the ground and now

1909
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:09,520
they're pulling that hard they're

1910
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,079
digging

1911
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,440
a hole each of them and he said they've

1912
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,280
never acted that way he's looking around

1913
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,119
he thought maybe they saw a skunk or

1914
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,880
bear or deer or something but he didn't

1915
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,400
see anything he saw

1916
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:22,720
nothing the dogs were focused on the

1917
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:25,359
right hand side of the road

1918
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:27,119
and he had all he could do to keep him

1919
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:28,400
just hold him back

1920
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,599
and out from the tree line at the edge

1921
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,880
of the road

1922
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:35,119
walks this i'm going to use the word

1923
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,480
creature because

1924
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:39,599
i wouldn't what else to call it and

1925
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,440
um he said it

1926
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:46,240
walked across the road got on the other

1927
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,280
side

1928
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,200
and walked into the woods and the dogs

1929
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,760
were still at it

1930
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,880
and he took the dogs back and retrieved

1931
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,559
the handgun that he had in the truck and

1932
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,920
came back in

1933
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,440
went into the right hand side went over

1934
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,760
to left-hand side he didn't see anything

1935
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:04,319
but his description of it was first of

1936
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,960
all he said

1937
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,640
it was not bigfoot that was the first

1938
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,480
thing he said he said i know what

1939
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:10,079
pictures of bigfoot look like and this

1940
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:11,599
was no bigfoot

1941
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:14,799
so he kind of described it as a

1942
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,400
a muscular man tall

1943
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,240
and he's got now he said it stood

1944
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:22,640
approximately eight to ten feet tall

1945
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:25,440
now that's his estimation which the

1946
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:26,240
following day

1947
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,680
they did something and he called me back

1948
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:29,599
he says no more like seven to eight feet

1949
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,480
tall

1950
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:32,400
because then he was looking at the tree

1951
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,319
and he kind of gauged it by a tree a low

1952
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,920
branch

1953
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,240
but he said uh this when this creature

1954
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,079
walked across in front of him

1955
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,200
he got a good look at it head to toe

1956
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:45,599
it did not look at him it did not look

1957
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,640
at the dogs like

1958
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,440
he and the dogs weren't even there it

1959
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,599
paid no attention whatsoever to two

1960
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,960
two why maranas their big dog growling

1961
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,240
snarling and ripping

1962
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:58,480
trying to get to it and him standing

1963
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,359
there

1964
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:01,920
and it never even twitched it just

1965
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:05,680
walked across like they didn't exist

1966
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:13,829
it was um either dark brown or black

1967
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,679
um he said very muscular

1968
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,480
noice no lengthened arms you know longer

1969
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,560
than normal arms or legs

1970
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:25,279
uh he didn't notice any any big feet or

1971
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:26,319
long hair

1972
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:29,679
no tail he said if he'd had ears he

1973
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,229
it just you know

1974
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,400
he didn't know what he saw he said but

1975
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,920
one of the things that stuck out that

1976
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:43,920
still puzzles him

1977
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:47,759
is that he did notice it had a snout

1978
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,960
now he described the snout not like a

1979
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,239
dog like a doberman

1980
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:55,040
or why morana or even like one of my

1981
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:55,679
dachshunds

1982
01:09:02,630 --> 01:08:58,239
he said it was a short snout more like a

1983
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:06,550
he saw no facial features because it was

1984
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,679
sideways all he saw was the profile

1985
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,480
but um again he started to tell me he

1986
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:14,400
says look because i'm telling you

1987
01:09:19,829 --> 01:09:17,759
whatever it was it was no bigfoot and

1988
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,839
whatever it was

1989
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,080
two dogs and and myself stand there

1990
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:23,679
didn't phase it one bit

1991
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,120
just walked right across so

1992
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,040
he said the best i can describe it he

1993
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:31,279
said if i had to put it in plain terms

1994
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:34,000
he said it was just a tall big well

1995
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,120
muscular

1996
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,520
hairy man and he said that is the best i

1997
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:38,640
can describe it

1998
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:41,679
he said i have no other description

1999
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:44,719
so later in the evening he had found

2000
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,000
something on the internet and and he

2001
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,400
sent me the drawing

2002
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:53,040
and he said it's only an illustration i

2003
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,480
just looked for something that closely

2004
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,080
resembled the creature

2005
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,880
and i made some changes with color so

2006
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,400
after he sent me the picture

2007
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:02,400
he said that he is going to get a hold

2008
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,520
of a couple friends and they were going

2009
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,199
to go down the next day

2010
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,640
which would have made it to 7th for

2011
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,560
sunday and

2012
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,560
so he gathered up two buddies he told

2013
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,800
them what was going on

2014
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,400
and they armed themselves to the teeth

2015
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,360
with hunting rifles and they went back

2016
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,159
and this is where the story gets if it

2017
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:21,840
can get any stranger then the creature

2018
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,400
walking across not paying attention

2019
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,320
it gets stranger they go back they park

2020
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:27,920
he parks the same place they get out

2021
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,960
they load up

2022
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,520
they go in he can see exactly where he

2023
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:32,719
was standing because there's the two

2024
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,679
holes left by the dogs the day prior

2025
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:37,679
so they walk up and he said this is

2026
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,719
pretty much where

2027
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,239
it came out of so they went in there

2028
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,239
they went back about 50 100 yards they

2029
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:43,520
didn't see anything or anything like

2030
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,159
that nothing

2031
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,400
no footprints no broken branches no

2032
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,719
downed trees nothing like that

2033
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,239
they come out they walk straight across

2034
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:52,159
they get about 50 feet

2035
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,360
into the other side and they stop

2036
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,120
and they basically all look at each

2037
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:59,199
other and and it comes out

2038
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,719
we need to get out of here and we need

2039
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:02,960
to get out of here right now

2040
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:04,960
and for three guys to have the same

2041
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,080
feelings of

2042
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:09,040
disaster dread something bad is going to

2043
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,600
happen

2044
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:12,080
at the same time that's pretty unusual

2045
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,440
in itself

2046
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,600
so they don't walk out they back out

2047
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,280
with their weapons facing forward

2048
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,880
and they get back out onto the road and

2049
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,640
they go back to the truck

2050
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,560
and he called me later that he needed to

2051
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:23,760
tell me what had happened

2052
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,120
and he said i want to tell you something

2053
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,280
mr witkowski he says i am

2054
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:30,080
never going in those woods again under

2055
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,800
any circumstance to walk dogs to hunt

2056
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,280
never again and i i tried to get out of

2057
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,800
him what what happened

2058
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:39,040
he said all i know is we shouldn't have

2059
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:40,400
been there

2060
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:43,600
and we were basically all feeling the

2061
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,560
same thing

2062
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,880
this was very dangerous we shouldn't be

2063
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:48,560
there we need to get out of here and

2064
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:49,280
like now

2065
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,910
you know that's that's you know i

2066
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,760
remember when you told me that and i'm

2067
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,679
thinking to myself

2068
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:06,719
well you know that uh

2069
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,600
fighter that flight or you know fear and

2070
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:10,960
flight thing

2071
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,159
that that reaction to happen to three

2072
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,000
individuals or even more

2073
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,520
at one time yeah says to me that there's

2074
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:21,760
something there

2075
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:24,960
either magnetic wise magna

2076
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,560
you know uh electronic magnetic wise

2077
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,920
that

2078
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,400
sets something out in everybody's brain

2079
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,719
and just put them in that into that mode

2080
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,840
of uh you know fear and flight you know

2081
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,000
uh that's the only thing i could figure

2082
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,400
i mean they weren't seeing anything

2083
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,800
they were sensing something i guess the

2084
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,239
old primal fear came

2085
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,120
in and took over and they all knew they

2086
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,040
had to get the hell out of there

2087
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,920
yeah and you know and the guy was very

2088
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,800
uh

2089
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,199
you know he was very intelligent i mean

2090
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:59,360
everything he talked about he explained

2091
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,800
as he was going along so i didn't

2092
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,040
misinterpret anything

2093
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,679
anything i asked he you know answered

2094
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,440
the question

2095
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,760
except when it came to that i said what

2096
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,440
did you feel

2097
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:14,080
he said all i felt was we needed to get

2098
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,120
out of there

2099
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,760
right now no questions asked and he said

2100
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:19,679
we backed out what our weapons painted

2101
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,400
pointed toward where we went in so did

2102
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:24,000
they see something

2103
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,520
uh did something um like you said

2104
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,120
uh put into their head that they were

2105
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,600
going to there was going to be a fight

2106
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:34,000
so the fight and flight or fear and

2107
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:35,840
flight took place

2108
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,159
um and it's not unheard of as i started

2109
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:41,679
looking for reports where that has

2110
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:42,719
happened

2111
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,520
not only in

2112
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,280
some of the bigfoots from bigfoot

2113
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,719
reports that i've read you know from

2114
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:52,159
around the country

2115
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,440
there's quite a number of those where

2116
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,880
you know people be like camping having a

2117
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,400
good time drinking a beer sitting there

2118
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,159
and all of a sudden

2119
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,400
we need to pack up and leave now and

2120
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:02,880
they pack up and they go

2121
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,239
and uh in the paranormal where

2122
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,080
experienced investigators have walked

2123
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,640
into a house or wherever

2124
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,640
and they get so far in or they make it

2125
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,880
up to the second floor and that same

2126
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,880
fear and flight thing hits them and they

2127
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:18,480
say okay we're done we're out of here

2128
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:19,280
you know

2129
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,480
everybody's out and they're heading down

2130
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,040
local dunkin donuts they're done

2131
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,679
and they don't go back they just don't

2132
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,199
go back

2133
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:30,080
for any reason uh these guys went back

2134
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,640
with

2135
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,600
whatever it is if it comes after them

2136
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:35,040
you know we got the firepower we'll stop

2137
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,600
it

2138
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,920
well evidently that didn't mean anything

2139
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:39,920
because they had firearms they went in

2140
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:42,400
there and they were stopped

2141
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,000
and there uh these reports

2142
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:48,719
i found a few uh more than a few i

2143
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:49,600
should say

2144
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:53,040
where people have seen an entity

2145
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:56,000
of some sort or a creature of some sort

2146
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,400
you know

2147
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:57,840
just walk by them like they weren't

2148
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:00,560
there you know like it paid no attention

2149
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,320
uh or it walked by and within so many

2150
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,199
feeder yards it just kind of vanished

2151
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:09,040
and that's both in bigfoot and the

2152
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,239
paranormal

2153
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,320
and you know we see it in ufos a lot but

2154
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,679
that's you know you're looking at

2155
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,719
something that's maybe

2156
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,320
thirty thousand forty thousand feet in

2157
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:18,960
the air and it disappears

2158
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:21,440
but this stuff on the ground is the

2159
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:22,960
stuff that's really got me

2160
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:26,080
half crazy because this stuff you know

2161
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,360
if you would have said this to me

2162
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:29,440
two years ago i would went like i don't

2163
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:30,719
think so

2164
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,080
but i'm finding cases like that this guy

2165
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,120
is more than was more than happy to talk

2166
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,480
about it

2167
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:40,320
but he said he's done he said i'm

2168
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,520
finished not going back there

2169
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,920
never ever under any circumstance

2170
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:45,520
because i said to him i said if we'd

2171
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,000
come up

2172
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,840
would you show us where it's at and he

2173
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,360
gave me enough information where i do

2174
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,120
know where he was

2175
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:53,120
me gave me the road number he was on and

2176
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:54,239
when i mentioned that to another

2177
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:55,600
researcher up in that area

2178
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,960
he said yeah he knows exactly where that

2179
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,640
road is where that gate is

2180
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:01,360
so um you got to park outside the gate

2181
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,480
but he only walked in

2182
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:05,360
like i said 150 yards so and who knows

2183
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,320
maybe those two holes

2184
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:08,800
from the dogs are still there well you

2185
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,520
know

2186
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,920
this other researcher you talked to uh

2187
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:13,920
mentioned you they saw something else

2188
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:17,280
in that area as well didn't it

2189
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,320
yeah they said that they had a fellow

2190
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,480
run out of the woods on them and just

2191
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:24,960
kept on running

2192
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,950
so is it you know

2193
01:16:36,669 --> 01:16:35,040
people talk about you know telekinesis

2194
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:36,679
with ufos and and

2195
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,280
telecommunications and and all this mind

2196
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:41,120
games and stuff like that well who's to

2197
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:42,480
say that

2198
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:46,159
these creatures whatever they are uh

2199
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,679
have that same ability and they don't

2200
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,880
have to really hurt you

2201
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:52,159
they just have to put a fear in you

2202
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,360
that'll get you out of there and you'll

2203
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,360
go

2204
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,920
well you know it's just like this uh you

2205
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,800
know

2206
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,640
uh sean and i were talking about this

2207
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,000
mantis man thing

2208
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,040
where one of the witnesses just had this

2209
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:07,520
you know he lost all bodily function

2210
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,320
well you know

2211
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:10,960
everything went limp on him and it this

2212
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:12,640
thing got in his head

2213
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,000
and we knew we do hear that on encrypted

2214
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,360
sightings bigfoot sightings uh

2215
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,159
and of course we hear it in alien type

2216
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:23,520
scenarios

2217
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,800
uh you know this very well could be the

2218
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:28,880
same type of thing

2219
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:32,000
uh you know are people seeing

2220
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,760
you know are people seeing alternate

2221
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,040
universes

2222
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:37,600
where this thing just shows up where

2223
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:38,320
they're

2224
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:42,480
up inadvertently

2225
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,520
or what's going on um i don't you know

2226
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,199
you know you can't answer that unless

2227
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,960
you know the facts but

2228
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,560
you know people are still seeing it

2229
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,480
nonetheless

2230
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:55,199
well yeah i mean and it if you found

2231
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,960
like five reports

2232
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:59,040
i mean that wouldn't really light your

2233
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,480
fire

2234
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:03,360
but i found lots of reports like that

2235
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:04,000
where

2236
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,400
that fear and flight took over or

2237
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,080
actually the fighting you know fighter

2238
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:09,840
fleet took over i mean were

2239
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,560
actually stood their ground not for very

2240
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:13,840
long

2241
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,360
they stood their ground and they had no

2242
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:19,280
description they didn't see anything

2243
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:21,840
they didn't hear anything they just were

2244
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,480
stopped

2245
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:24,719
you know like hiking on the one was a

2246
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:25,600
report in

2247
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,880
oregon where uh two young fellows

2248
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,920
one was 19 i believe the other was 22

2249
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,520
just hiking the trail that they hiked up

2250
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:35,360
many many times and

2251
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:37,280
it was just like their yearly hike thing

2252
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,800
so they loaded up and

2253
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:41,199
started up the trail and they got about

2254
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,719
three quarters a mile into this trail

2255
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:44,239
which they're very familiar with heading

2256
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,120
for the spot where they were going to

2257
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,880
camp for the night and set up

2258
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:48,239
and they just stopped dead in their

2259
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,199
tracks and the same thing

2260
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,520
they got the same feeling of we

2261
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:55,040
shouldn't be here right now we need to

2262
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:55,440
leave

2263
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,040
now and they turned around left

2264
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:01,840
so um they've never seen anything like

2265
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,400
you know

2266
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,880
no creatures or anything like that the

2267
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:06,480
guy said the biggest thing they ever saw

2268
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,880
there

2269
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:08,960
uh they ran into a badger one time or

2270
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:11,199
something and he said that was enough

2271
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,920
he said you know they said we never even

2272
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:15,360
saw a snake in the whole time we've been

2273
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,400
going up there which was

2274
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,440
many years since they were boy scouts

2275
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:21,679
but this particular time they got

2276
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:22,560
stopped

2277
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,159
don't know what was there

2278
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,239
but there was something there that made

2279
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:29,520
them

2280
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:31,520
fear for their lives and they turned

2281
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:34,880
around and bullied

2282
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,159
you know we've we've all discussed this

2283
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,920
this thing in pennsylvania with these

2284
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:42,159
state game lands and there's so many of

2285
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:43,440
these small

2286
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,640
areas within the state and of course

2287
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,320
pennsylvania

2288
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,120
overall is got some pretty strange

2289
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,560
phenomena

2290
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,719
uh going on people see a lot of

2291
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:57,199
different streams a lot of different

2292
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:00,560
odd things and unexplainable

2293
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,000
unknown things and uh you know i and i

2294
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,760
you and i even talked about that i think

2295
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:07,840
today we where

2296
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,520
you know these these small areas just

2297
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:13,679
you know that are marked as state game

2298
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:14,880
lands what

2299
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:18,000
it is the state got something going

2300
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:24,070
you know you've got the kuihana wildlife

2301
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,800
area

2302
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,239
and i think sean's familiar with that

2303
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:28,080
area uh

2304
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,159
where you have a reactor a nuclear

2305
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:32,880
reactor now it's defunct and it's been

2306
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:35,120
you know demobilized and evidently

2307
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:36,320
cleaned up

2308
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:40,080
but uh that is sitting in a state game

2309
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:40,880
lands

2310
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,280
now the wildlife area is huge i mean

2311
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:45,199
it's i forget how many

2312
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:48,159
thousands and thousands of acres it is

2313
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,199
but

2314
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,520
right smack in the middle of this thing

2315
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:53,840
on state game lands 34

2316
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:57,040
and it's still a restricted area is

2317
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:00,800
a nuclear reactor and

2318
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:04,000
uh when i saw that that just totally

2319
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:04,880
blew my mind

2320
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:08,159
and uh what it was

2321
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,520
and it was huge i mean i got some

2322
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:11,120
overhead pictures of it when it was

2323
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:12,719
brand new and it's i mean

2324
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,880
this place is huge and um

2325
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:19,040
it was a cold water reactor and it was

2326
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:20,719
actually put up there

2327
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:24,960
to um it was a

2328
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:28,320
piper cub was developing

2329
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:31,600
a nuclear engine for

2330
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:35,920
um small planes private planes

2331
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:39,040
and i'm thinking well you know why

2332
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,480
didn't they just take it up and put it

2333
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:42,960
up here piper's

2334
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:47,520
plant which is up in that area lockhaven

2335
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,360
and they didn't and um

2336
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:53,760
they built this thing and it the state

2337
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,159
constructed it actually and cost 1.6

2338
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:57,920
million back then

2339
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,000
and um they actually talked about it in

2340
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,159
53

2341
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:06,880
and then the land was purchased by

2342
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:07,840
curtis wright

2343
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:12,400
and it's 24 square miles

2344
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:15,679
uh the actual uh area that was cleared

2345
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:16,080
out and

2346
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,520
it was all done by a um

2347
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:21,679
well what they call themselves uh if i

2348
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,870
it was run by the state uh uh you know a

2349
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,480
bunch of out-of-work people were given a

2350
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:34,639
job to do it and they did it

2351
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:37,920
but you know by 1960 the air force

2352
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:39,040
decided they were going to go through

2353
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:40,400
with this and they really wanted

2354
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,719
nuclear-powered aircraft

2355
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:44,159
which stan friedman has talked about

2356
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:45,440
many times a matter of fact he even

2357
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:46,880
worked on it

2358
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:50,080
so uh the air force and curtis wright in

2359
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,760
on in august of 60

2360
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,760
said they were going to donate the site

2361
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:57,520
to the pence to penn state

2362
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:00,560
and was selling um one of their

2363
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,360
divisions

2364
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:04,080
with 235 employees who automatically

2365
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:05,679
lost their jobs

2366
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,440
and uh it turned out to be

2367
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,639
that was kind of a farce that they were

2368
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:15,040
going to build that facility

2369
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,400
but nobody knew it was going to be a

2370
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:18,000
nuclear facility they just said it was

2371
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,800
like a

2372
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,239
cure cure-on-phone division that they

2373
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,920
were going to build

2374
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,600
and they did what they did was they

2375
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,920
built the nuclear reactor

2376
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,360
and the facility was going to be built

2377
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,760
for research and training

2378
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:32,320
and it was in curtis wright and piper

2379
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,120
and

2380
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,520
the us air force built this facility up

2381
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:37,040
there

2382
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:40,400
and it was

2383
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,600
it's amazing when you look at the

2384
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:43,760
overhead picture these places

2385
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,920
you know curtis wright actually paid

2386
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,120
pennsylvania

2387
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:52,239
to lease like 42 500

2388
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,679
acres so that gives you

2389
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:57,760
the kind of size and the power lines

2390
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:00,840
that ran into this place

2391
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,440
were oh my god they were phenomenal

2392
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,120
they actually built roads to bring the

2393
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,719
power lines in because the power lines

2394
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:08,159
couldn't be put on poles they were too

2395
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,520
heavy they had to be mounted on the

2396
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,560
ground

2397
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,360
wow so the amount of power that that

2398
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:16,000
thing was using

2399
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:24,709
it was just amazing

2400
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:28,000
and but why would you put a cold water

2401
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,440
nuclear reactor

2402
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:31,440
in the middle of a state game land

2403
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,880
that's just it i mean

2404
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,960
you know you could have done that you

2405
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:36,400
know you could have done that at any

2406
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:36,960
airport

2407
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:40,719
or at piper's plant

2408
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,719
any place like that but in 1993

2409
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,120
here was the bugaboo that really put the

2410
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,960
clamps on it

2411
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:50,639
that place was contaminated with

2412
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,030
and strodium 90 if

2413
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,960
anybody knows anything about that you

2414
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:00,239
don't have to get

2415
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,840
you don't have to touch that just be in

2416
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,679
the same room with it yeah

2417
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:05,520
and you're not going to go very far you

2418
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,800
may get to your car

2419
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:08,719
and you may get the ignition turned on

2420
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,920
and that's pretty much all you're going

2421
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,000
to get done

2422
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,840
and then they estimated by 2006 when

2423
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:16,960
they cleaned up it's going to cost

2424
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,920
30 million dollars and i don't know

2425
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,520
doesn't really tell you who paid that

2426
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,600
if the state picked it up or the feds

2427
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,440
picked it up but

2428
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,760
until this day it's still con the

2429
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,520
contamination is just

2430
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,360
it's still there i mean it's still a

2431
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:33,040
contaminated area

2432
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,040
well i don't know if you were aware of

2433
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:36,560
this or not but i was just talking to

2434
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:39,120
lon last week that they

2435
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,400
we're storing uh radioactive materials

2436
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:43,679
radioactive waste

2437
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,280
at uh state game lands 252. oh brother

2438
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,920
alan what out there behind the prison uh

2439
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,960
why would they do that

2440
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,800
i don't know but that's an area you know

2441
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,000
i frequent for

2442
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:57,360
uh investigating now is that near alvaro

2443
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:01,520
yeah that is elvira huh

2444
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,320
now are they using the are they stored

2445
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,320
in the old uh bunkers

2446
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,560
or are they just burying it well and i

2447
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,760
don't know i need to get some more

2448
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,120
specifics because there are a lot of

2449
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,880
bunkers out there that are sealed that

2450
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,719
are locked that you can't get into

2451
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,320
i know there's a couple open but most of

2452
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:18,000
them are welded shut quite a few but

2453
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:19,199
there are a decent amount that are open

2454
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,000
but there are

2455
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:23,120
many that are sealed shut and uh

2456
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,639
that really interests me because you

2457
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:26,400
know like you know i spent a lot of time

2458
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,669
now that was just reported not too long

2459
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:32,639
ago

2460
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:35,120
some of the some of the people really

2461
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:36,080
complained and

2462
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:37,600
lost their minds when they found out

2463
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,239
that when they did this cleanup

2464
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:42,159
they were basically burying hundreds of

2465
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,480
drums with unknown waste from that

2466
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:46,080
facility

2467
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,920
and they say you can still see the

2468
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:49,600
trench which they say is

2469
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,709
25 foot trenches and

2470
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:00,480
12 feet deep and that's what they were

2471
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:02,239
putting this waste in

2472
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:05,360
and a lot of us besides the strodium 90

2473
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:07,520
there was like beryllium oxide

2474
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,800
all other kinds of toxic compounds and

2475
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,920
you know people were worried about it

2476
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:13,440
getting into the groundwater and they

2477
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,880
said well that'll never happen well we

2478
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:16,480
know how that works

2479
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,600
and um but they still do

2480
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,320
geology studies um i think it's once

2481
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,239
every other year i read

2482
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:27,600
but they did find some um

2483
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:30,800
the last they found was in 2007

2484
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:33,920
which they dug up and just reburied is

2485
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:34,480
all they did

2486
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,120
i mean it wasn't removed from the site

2487
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:39,199
but it was in operation

2488
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,320
from 67 to 71 and then

2489
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,600
71 it geared up and

2490
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,080
took on more and that's when they

2491
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:49,840
started messing with the strodium 90

2492
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,870
so if anybody ventures in there i

2493
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:58,480
wouldn't you know bring anything home as

2494
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:01,679
a souvenir

2495
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,880
no i i don't think so

2496
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:07,120
you know anybody that go in there

2497
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,480
without a geiger counter in their hand

2498
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,239
to be a fool

2499
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:12,639
because starting 90 i mean if you

2500
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,360
remember just

2501
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,600
a couple years ago that russian spy that

2502
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,440
was killed over in england

2503
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,679
he was assassinated that guy poked him

2504
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:21,760
in the leg with an umbrella

2505
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,830
it killed him in what two and a half

2506
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:28,560
months painfully again

2507
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:32,239
yeah very painfully so uh

2508
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,400
you know but why in a state game lands

2509
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:38,400
and there's no military bases around

2510
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,520
there

2511
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:42,080
at all not even a reserve center but

2512
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,040
there have been

2513
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:45,199
reports of military personnel seen in

2514
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:46,639
that area

2515
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:50,080
in full combat gear what would they be

2516
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:50,880
doing there

2517
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,920
just going out for a walk yeah on bear

2518
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:58,080
got a full automatic weapon

2519
01:29:02,310 --> 01:28:59,120
well i'm going to tell you guys

2520
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:02,320
something one night we were out at 2 52.

2521
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,000
a couple of the guys from the keystone

2522
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,080
bigfoot project and my uncle

2523
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,400
all went out for an evening walk we had

2524
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:10,239
split off and i got on the radio

2525
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:13,600
that these guys had lasers pointed at

2526
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:14,000
them

2527
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:17,120
they observed four men in all black

2528
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:20,639
uh all black gear black military

2529
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:23,679
style boots high-powered rifles

2530
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:25,120
and they had the lasers trained on them

2531
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,040
and as they approached them uh

2532
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:29,760
the gentleman were sort of a passive

2533
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:31,120
aggressive about what they were doing

2534
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:32,400
out there they didn't want to answer any

2535
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,199
questions

2536
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,600
so we had joined up and i and i had run

2537
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,280
up to the front of the guys and started

2538
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,880
introducing myself and talking to them

2539
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:40,800
and they weren't really

2540
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,560
engaged with us trying to figure out

2541
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:43,920
what we were doing we asked whether they

2542
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:45,360
heard some strange sounds and they said

2543
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:46,719
they were out there

2544
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,120
blasting their hunting coyotes is what

2545
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:51,040
they were doing

2546
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,800
the old hunting coyote play yeah well

2547
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,840
let me tell you i don't know what kind

2548
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:55,679
of hunting coyotes they were doing out

2549
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:56,880
there but these guys

2550
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,239
look professional they were precision

2551
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:02,320
they were definitely outfitted for the

2552
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,760
job and i'll get you

2553
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:05,280
six seven witnesses that'll tell you

2554
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,880
they saw the exact same thing i did they

2555
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,719
were there with me that night

2556
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,800
and we don't know what they were up to

2557
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,560
we had all they were going towards an

2558
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,880
area where we had heard some pretty

2559
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,719
awkward sounds coming from earlier in

2560
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:18,159
that night an area behind a little

2561
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:21,440
like man-made dam behind a lake out that

2562
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,639
way we heard some

2563
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,880
very interesting calls out that way we

2564
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:26,239
were all heading towards it but we were

2565
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,520
taking different areas

2566
01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:29,040
you know different routes to see if we

2567
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:31,120
could you know pick up something on the

2568
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:32,080
way in there

2569
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:35,120
and my uh it would be my second team uh

2570
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,480
that they took the route and that's when

2571
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:38,000
they ran into those guys and those guys

2572
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,520
were heading towards the same area we

2573
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:47,110
it was really interesting well you know

2574
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:48,709
you know if you run into another hunter

2575
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:51,280
or another group of bigfoot researchers

2576
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:51,520
or

2577
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:55,040
the woods that's not such a big deal

2578
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:57,040
when you walk into guys like that or

2579
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:58,560
somebody in full military

2580
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,159
in full combat gear you know

2581
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,639
that kind of raises tackles on my neck i

2582
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:06,000
get a little nervous

2583
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:10,159
and um you know

2584
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,800
why that area why that particular area

2585
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,000
we all know

2586
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,159
the history of the area and we know the

2587
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:18,480
strange sightings in the area

2588
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:22,000
so what is there that brings these

2589
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:23,920
fellas out

2590
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:26,560
and um you know it's just like lon with

2591
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:27,679
your story down there

2592
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:31,199
when you saw what you saw and how the

2593
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,280
like you said almost instantaneously the

2594
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:34,880
police and the military were on that

2595
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:36,320
site

2596
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,430
this guy with his sighting of a creature

2597
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:45,280
that he he swears and declares

2598
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:47,040
was not bigfoot he said this was no

2599
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,480
bigfoot he said

2600
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:51,840
it was a man he said now muscular

2601
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:56,080
yes but it was a man he said it it just

2602
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:58,960
there's no not even close no pointed

2603
01:32:02,310 --> 01:31:59,520
head no

2604
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:02,320
thick neck no big broad wide shoulders

2605
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,239
no long extended arms no

2606
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,960
stupid looking gait uh this guy just

2607
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:08,480
walked across like he was crossing the

2608
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:09,600
street down in

2609
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:12,960
in on main street in penfield but he was

2610
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:13,840
big

2611
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:16,880
he was covered in hair and

2612
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:20,159
the the protruding jaw snout

2613
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:23,679
i guess is best way to put that out

2614
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:27,120
he said was just weird just strange

2615
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:30,560
and the fact that it never looked at him

2616
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:33,840
so you know then you get the government

2617
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:35,760
into play in the same areas

2618
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,120
that these things are happening in

2619
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:42,239
why you know you get a hot spot in

2620
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:43,120
ufology

2621
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,560
and you can sit there for five days

2622
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:46,080
staring at the sky catching flies with

2623
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:48,639
your mouth open a pair of binoculars

2624
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:51,760
but you know the last

2625
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,679
venture we were on uh was our yearly

2626
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,960
equipment check we just

2627
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,719
take the van down we unload everything

2628
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,960
set it up like we're on side of a siding

2629
01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:02,080
and we just test everything the

2630
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:04,719
computers the radios everything

2631
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:07,280
and we notify them they lock us in to

2632
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,639
the state park

2633
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,000
they tell us they're gonna lock us in

2634
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:11,840
but they'll have somebody check on us

2635
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:14,880
and uh she's uh the lady said you know

2636
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:17,040
uh you may get a state trooper like you

2637
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:18,639
know once or twice during the night no

2638
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,320
big deal i said no fine you know

2639
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:22,480
absolutely tell them we have coffee that

2640
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:26,400
state trooper was there every 45 minutes

2641
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,719
every 45 minutes i could have set my

2642
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:31,280
watch by him

2643
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:35,120
and uh the guy who was with me

2644
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,320
you know he said you know i can see his

2645
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:38,080
taillights go down the road and it's not

2646
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,440
like the taillights disappear it's like

2647
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:41,760
they get turned off

2648
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,280
and i said well you know he said and the

2649
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:46,560
last time i was here when i looked down

2650
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:47,360
that road

2651
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:48,960
i could see the lights turn on and that

2652
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:54,550
so we're watching the sky and they're

2653
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,800
watching us

2654
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:59,120
and then while we're there we're looking

2655
01:34:01,430 --> 01:34:00,320
we have everything cameras and

2656
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,440
everything set up

2657
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:04,080
looking forward i mean the vans forward

2658
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:05,199
all the gears forward

2659
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,320
we're not looking behind us we're

2660
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:08,159
looking forward because it's a nice open

2661
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:08,639
spot

2662
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:11,679
no light uh uh intrusion from any big

2663
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:13,120
city or anything like that

2664
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:15,120
so we're seeing what we're seeing we're

2665
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:16,159
you know we're

2666
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,920
elated because we're seeing stuff moving

2667
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:19,199
all over the place

2668
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:22,400
he shows up and of course to

2669
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:25,280
get a cup of coffee for the 15th time

2670
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:26,880
and

2671
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,159
out of clear blue he said well what

2672
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:30,400
about that one and we're looking and he

2673
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:31,679
says no this one

2674
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:33,840
and he's behind us he's his car is

2675
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,080
parked on the road we're off the road

2676
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:38,400
and we look and there's one coming

2677
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:40,080
across and it does stops

2678
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:42,800
and does like a u dive comes up and

2679
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,880
continues on its way then zigzags a few

2680
01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:46,480
times and shoot straight up

2681
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,639
and i said you see that stuff often he

2682
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:50,159
says oh all the time

2683
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:51,520
he said we've had him come down to the

2684
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:53,600
ground i said

2685
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:57,840
really he says he says no big deal

2686
01:35:01,750 --> 01:35:01,119
so i started talking to him and back and

2687
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:01,760
forth and

2688
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:07,750
he said i said you know you live around

2689
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:09,280
here are you close what barracks you out

2690
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:10,239
of he said i

2691
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:11,600
work down here he said but i live up to

2692
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:13,679
state college he said we see that stuff

2693
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:14,000
up there

2694
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:17,360
all the time i said well how come you

2695
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,719
guys don't report it

2696
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,719
he said who's going to believe me i said

2697
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,880
i believe you i just saw it

2698
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:24,000
i said so you're going to make an

2699
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:27,520
instant report about this he went no way

2700
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:30,800
i went okay so this

2701
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,480
the government no matter whether state

2702
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:34,639
local or federal

2703
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,480
they know what's going on they know

2704
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:37,920
where it's going on at

2705
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:41,679
they know what it is and i'm sure

2706
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:45,040
that this invisible

2707
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,080
visible creature up there in state

2708
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:50,480
gambling 331

2709
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:54,080
is probably well known by those folks

2710
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:57,679
yeah i'm kind of thinking the same thing

2711
01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:00,080
i know i agree with you i think i'm kind

2712
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:01,760
of thinking the same way

2713
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:07,430
you know just the situation itself i

2714
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:08,320
mean

2715
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:10,159
and you know when you take all the

2716
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:11,840
variables involved and

2717
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:14,560
and people know how the state is well

2718
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,520
you know we're talking about

2719
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:17,199
pennsylvania but they're all like that

2720
01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:19,040
you know we talk like the you know the

2721
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:21,119
game commission pennsylvania

2722
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,880
squares up and down there there are no

2723
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,239
big cats in pennsylvania

2724
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:25,920
but everybody right every once in a

2725
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:27,679
while somebody'll shoot one or kill one

2726
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:29,199
or run over one

2727
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,800
and they'll deny it yeah well

2728
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,639
you know i did a piece in our newsletter

2729
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,239
years back

2730
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:38,480
on the uh the last cougar that allegedly

2731
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,639
was killed in the state of pennsylvania

2732
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,960
and it was like 1896 or something like

2733
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:44,960
that a female

2734
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,239
was shot by a minor uh down by a creek

2735
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:50,080
where she was drinking

2736
01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:52,080
and her carcass is actually stuffed and

2737
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:53,360
it's in the pennsylvania historical

2738
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,000
society up in harrisburg

2739
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:01,030
from that point i mean you can you can

2740
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,560
document uh

2741
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,960
all the all the cases of cougar

2742
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,480
sightings and panther sightings in

2743
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:07,920
pennsylvania

2744
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:10,320
all across the state north south east

2745
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:12,239
west they're everywhere

2746
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:15,920
and uh pictures of cats large cats with

2747
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:19,280
long tails and you know muscular

2748
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,679
shoulders and big paws

2749
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,280
that's not tabby that's not the

2750
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:24,880
neighbor's cat

2751
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,920
you know and we're fortunate enough and

2752
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,360
the guy just passed away a few months

2753
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,199
ago but there was a professor from the

2754
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:32,800
university of pennsylvania

2755
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:34,880
who was studying big cats and we were

2756
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:36,719
given a

2757
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:40,560
hard deal up at a up in

2758
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:44,080
schuylkill county two years ago it was a

2759
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:47,760
set up for orphan dogs and

2760
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,199
dogs that were are you know being kept

2761
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,560
for

2762
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,400
adoption and stuff like that and they

2763
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,840
were looking for donors it was a pretty

2764
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:57,040
big deal i mean there were a lot of

2765
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:58,320
vendors there were a lot of they had

2766
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,840
music they had they had all kinds of

2767
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,600
big uh the big foot truck up there they

2768
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:03,199
had a whole bunch of stuff

2769
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,800
this guy walked over and he stayed with

2770
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,000
us for about an hour and a half he

2771
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,000
showed us footprints

2772
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,320
he showed us casts of footprints and and

2773
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:12,320
then he had comparison casts he said

2774
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:14,960
this is a cougar and you could the size

2775
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,000
was unbelievable

2776
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:18,880
he said this is a male coyote and you're

2777
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:19,840
looking at those two

2778
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,239
two casts and you're going like there

2779
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,080
ain't no way somebody's gonna

2780
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,960
tell me that they saw a coyote and it

2781
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,800
was actually a cougar

2782
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:30,320
he says no and then you just had this

2783
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:32,000
cougar what two years ago

2784
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:34,320
that they they had tagged with a radio

2785
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,199
collar

2786
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,360
and it went from like colorado and it

2787
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:39,119
got hit up in

2788
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,480
massachusetts or new hampshire or

2789
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:42,000
something like that i forget i think it

2790
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:43,119
was

2791
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:46,000
up in connecticut yeah yeah but it but

2792
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:46,320
but

2793
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:47,679
when they showed throughout the way they

2794
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:48,960
were tracking it it actually went

2795
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:50,000
through pennsylvania northern

2796
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:50,880
pennsylvania

2797
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,480
yeah so guys give me a break

2798
01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:00,960
ah yeah i've always had a good laugh out

2799
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:02,080
of uh

2800
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:04,080
these state game commissions i swear up

2801
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:05,760
and down there's no

2802
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,159
big cat they talked about coyotes like

2803
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:10,080
that for years

2804
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,600
people were seeing you know we were

2805
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:13,679
seeing coyotes in maryland

2806
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,960
back in the 70s but you know

2807
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,880
they would never acknowledge it they

2808
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,320
still don't like to acknowledge it but

2809
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:22,000
we see them all the time

2810
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:23,520
when we were when i was still working

2811
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:25,040
before i retired i retired three years

2812
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,199
ago when i was still working

2813
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:28,800
we used to go out back to take a break

2814
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:30,239
especially when it was nice out you know

2815
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:32,000
nice summer night and go out and take a

2816
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,719
break and

2817
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:34,239
take a couple guys and go out there and

2818
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,679
just smoke and shoot the crap and go

2819
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:36,719
sign the onion

2820
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,520
listen to coyotes howling away for hours

2821
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:42,320
just carrying on all night long

2822
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,760
so a game commission guy rolled through

2823
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,600
the parking lot one time now

2824
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,520
uh penske corporation is a big campus i

2825
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,080
mean there's 2900 people work there

2826
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,400
but it's like three o'clock in the

2827
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,080
morning that was my shift i had i was a

2828
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:55,679
supervisor on night shift

2829
01:40:02,550 --> 01:39:59,920
but um we stopped him

2830
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:02,560
and the coyotes are howling they're

2831
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:03,520
howling

2832
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,800
and i said did you hear that he went

2833
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:06,719
here what

2834
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,440
i said are you deaf he said i don't hear

2835
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:11,119
anything they're howling i mean

2836
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,639
as i'm speaking to him they're howling

2837
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,840
and he's talking to me like i'm some

2838
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:15,280
kind of nut

2839
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:18,080
and i went you know what you're a waste

2840
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,280
of breath

2841
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:21,360
i said you don't hear that and he just

2842
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,040
smiled and he drove off have a nice

2843
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:25,520
night guys and all he went

2844
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,639
so they're already predisposed like most

2845
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,239
police departments and and law

2846
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:32,239
enforcement and any type of enforcement

2847
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:32,719
is

2848
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:36,080
what you don't want to hear

2849
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,280
yeah but

2850
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:40,960
as far as that part of the part of

2851
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,590
i think a lot of western pennsylvania

2852
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:49,520
was active

2853
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,280
up until from what i see up until a

2854
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,119
couple years ago

2855
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:55,600
maybe three years ago and now a lot of

2856
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,280
the stuff is coming from

2857
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:59,840
either way northwest like venango and

2858
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,440
erie in that area

2859
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,000
or it's in the middle of the state and

2860
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:06,239
the northern tier of the state

2861
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:10,560
and uh the cases are

2862
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:13,520
a lot better documented uh this the one

2863
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,840
that i'm getting now from venango

2864
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,719
on um

2865
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:20,560
well i've had two emails so far that

2866
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,679
she's explaining what happened because

2867
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,280
there's multiple sightings with multiple

2868
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:24,800
witnesses

2869
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,719
and she's seen orbs and i'm gonna

2870
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,239
put it the way she puts it it looks like

2871
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:32,080
they're fighting with each other

2872
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:33,280
they're chasing each other they're

2873
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,040
hitting each other and i went like okay

2874
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:39,679
and she says and the best i can describe

2875
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,080
them

2876
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:43,360
is it's an orb it's

2877
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,960
a reddish or reddish orange but you can

2878
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:48,400
see through it it's like almost

2879
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:49,920
translucent

2880
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,239
and the inside looks like a lava lamp

2881
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:54,000
from the 60s

2882
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,440
and i laugh because i got one sitting

2883
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:57,760
here on my desk

2884
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,790
i investigated a case for a canadian

2885
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,719
researcher

2886
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:09,440
along with him in washington state last

2887
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,480
year

2888
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:13,119
and the description given to the guy and

2889
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:13,520
this

2890
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:15,520
object went right by him six foot off

2891
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,480
the ground he could have reached out and

2892
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,000
touched it

2893
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,719
he described as a reddish orange

2894
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:22,239
translucent

2895
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,600
uh orb circle ball about the size of a

2896
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,119
large beach ball

2897
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:29,280
and the interior looked like the inside

2898
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:32,400
of a lava lamp from the 60s

2899
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:35,280
and that description has come up many

2900
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,119
times over the years

2901
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:39,600
of the lava lamp looking translucent red

2902
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:40,560
or orange

2903
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,600
or they're solid and um

2904
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,840
so she just this afternoon i got the

2905
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,199
coordinates so she gave me the course

2906
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,880
they went out to the gps coordinate of

2907
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:50,400
the where they saw it

2908
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:51,760
but there are three other locations so

2909
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:54,400
i'm going to get those probably tomorrow

2910
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:57,840
and then um sometime

2911
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:01,199
um probably this saturday i'm gonna

2912
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,639
drive out and while i'm out there i'm

2913
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,679
gonna go over to hit

2914
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:05,199
cleveland and see if i can get over to

2915
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:06,960
cleveland to pick up on their uh

2916
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,119
ufo meeting cleveland ufology group

2917
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:13,920
they've been there since well 1957 i

2918
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,560
think

2919
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:17,040
they started way before mufon they're

2920
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,840
the oldest and

2921
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,840
oldest in the world they have the same

2922
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:21,199
members that started

2923
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,040
well they have a few the same members

2924
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,199
have started back then

2925
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,760
and this is going to be their 52nd year

2926
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,760
i think

2927
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,080
so they're the oldest move on is not the

2928
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,920
oldest they are

2929
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,760
but anyhow i'm going to try to hit them

2930
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:37,199
too

2931
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:40,719
so be a lot of driving on saturday

2932
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,880
uh but yeah a lot of strange things

2933
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:44,480
going on especially up in sean's area

2934
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:46,000
you know that that whole day

2935
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:47,600
in dave roberts area that that whole

2936
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:49,840
area rentalsville and

2937
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:52,639
state college and du bois and and just

2938
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:53,840
just that strip

2939
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:56,320
just really wild well that's why i'm

2940
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,280
hoping we'll get some

2941
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:59,440
some good information for this round

2942
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,560
table

2943
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:03,360
and uh that's the you know that's a big

2944
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:04,639
reason why we're doing it

2945
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,679
and uh you know make everybody aware

2946
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:09,360
some of the things that are going on in

2947
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,360
the state

2948
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:13,040
and it's not just it's not just the

2949
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,800
creature reports it's

2950
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:16,639
everything it's everything i mean it's

2951
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:19,280
your ufos it's bigfoot it's

2952
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:21,679
it's strange creatures it's uh

2953
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:26,550
for some reason another last maybe a

2954
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:28,239
year and a half there's been so much

2955
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:29,679
interest in

2956
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,880
indian burial grounds

2957
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:34,320
we're going to go down to holy

2958
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:36,000
pennsylvania

2959
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:37,600
uh as soon as they're done planning

2960
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:39,199
because we can't get it's just too muddy

2961
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:40,239
to get through the field and we'd have

2962
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,360
to drive through the field to get to

2963
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:43,280
this spot but at the end of the property

2964
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:46,880
it's a 50 acre property and um

2965
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:49,119
they have uh there was just a huge pile

2966
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:50,320
of rocks and they never paid much

2967
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,520
attention to it but it was just a big

2968
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:53,760
pile of rocks just huge rocks

2969
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,679
and the lady said you know think one of

2970
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:56,960
the old cadillacs you said that's how

2971
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:57,600
big the

2972
01:45:01,350 --> 01:45:00,719
there's just a bunch of them back there

2973
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,360
but

2974
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:03,119
one time they got back there i think a

2975
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,719
tractor broke down and they

2976
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,800
it broke down right at that area and

2977
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:08,239
they kind of went to sit on the rocks to

2978
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,760
wait for somebody to bring gasoline out

2979
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,880
or something

2980
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,119
and uh they noticed that there's all

2981
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:15,440
kind of markings on these rocks

2982
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:19,119
and she sent me traces of them paper

2983
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,159
traces

2984
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,920
and when i looked them up they're let it

2985
01:45:27,669 --> 01:45:24,320
be indian markings

2986
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,679
so now the lenape i mean they were all

2987
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:29,040
over pennsylvania just like the

2988
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,280
susquehanna and everything else but

2989
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:33,360
i mean we had cherokee in pennsylvania

2990
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:35,520
but um

2991
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:38,400
it's just so are we looking at a burial

2992
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,000
ground or some kind of sacred mound or

2993
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:44,159
something and she said now there is an

2994
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:45,600
opening she's but i'm not crawling in

2995
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,000
there

2996
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:49,199
so you know i said well i might not do

2997
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:50,480
that either but i said i may have

2998
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:51,760
somebody that might do that

2999
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,800
but i can walk into it a lot smaller a

3000
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:56,400
lot thinner

3001
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:59,760
um but so there's there's all kind of

3002
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:00,159
stuff

3003
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,000
out there and and there's all kind of

3004
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,400
investigations going on

3005
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:05,760
i'm nothing familiar with what all is

3006
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:07,040
going on out in the western part of the

3007
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:08,239
state

3008
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:11,280
uh but i know around here it's very

3009
01:46:14,950 --> 01:46:12,480
active you know

3010
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:14,960
in this part of the state and the lower

3011
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:15,679
end of the state

3012
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:19,600
down around well gettysburg that's

3013
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:20,800
i think somebody said it was the most

3014
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:22,639
haunted spot in the country well

3015
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:24,159
gettysburg and that

3016
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,960
adam's yorkies speaking of york county

3017
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,320
and lancaster county talk about the

3018
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,679
bigfoot sightings we've been getting

3019
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,960
down there

3020
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:33,360
i mean we've gotten reports up the yahoo

3021
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,080
for the last

3022
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:36,560
year so oh definitely it's been lighting

3023
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:37,520
up like crazy

3024
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:40,159
nuts i don't know what's going on butch

3025
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,280
lawn but

3026
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,800
some of these areas where we haven't

3027
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,960
gotten anything and i'm thinking maybe

3028
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:46,639
it's due to some of the fracking going

3029
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:47,760
on that these guys

3030
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:50,800
need to get away from it and

3031
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:52,560
you know you may be onto something there

3032
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:54,159
because i i

3033
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:57,199
was looking at some reports this has to

3034
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:58,560
be three years ago

3035
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:01,600
uh in uh washington county okay and they

3036
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:03,600
were hot and heavy i mean there was a

3037
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:05,119
i'm not gonna say every week but at

3038
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:06,320
least twice a month there would be a

3039
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,239
report of something

3040
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:10,800
and when they started tracking about the

3041
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:11,600
same time

3042
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:14,080
those reports ceased they're just like

3043
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:15,360
somebody cut them off

3044
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,480
there's just no reports out of

3045
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:18,880
washington county at all

3046
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:21,040
and if one pops up it really is a

3047
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,480
nothing you know it's

3048
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,239
a nothing report which means that you

3049
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:25,920
can't confirm it you can't get ahold of

3050
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:27,040
anybody to tell you what happened if

3051
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:27,679
they just

3052
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:30,719
put out a blurb and that's it and

3053
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,840
areas where there is no fracking like

3054
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:35,040
i don't know what you got up in your

3055
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:37,920
area sean or in fracking wise

3056
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:40,480
but it just seems like in the areas were

3057
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:43,040
populated that there's fracking

3058
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:45,040
it just seems like the state game lands

3059
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:46,159
now are

3060
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:49,360
alive with these reports and i don't

3061
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,639
know how many state game lanes we have

3062
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,400
because we have wild areas we have state

3063
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:54,480
game lands we have preservation areas

3064
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,639
this state is covered with that stuff

3065
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:58,159
that's what i was saying it's just so

3066
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:59,040
much

3067
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,080
you know and it's it's it didn't used to

3068
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,400
be like that when i was living up there

3069
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,440
but but over the past 35 years it's like

3070
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:09,119
you got something popping up everywhere

3071
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:10,639
i mean you know

3072
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:12,320
i think i read the other day and i don't

3073
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:14,000
know if this is true or not

3074
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:16,719
that there are over 700 protected areas

3075
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:17,679
in pennsylvania

3076
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,360
yeah there is that's what it is there's

3077
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:21,440
over seven seven hundred and uh

3078
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:24,800
uh what i just read it 720 or 721

3079
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:26,400
protected areas in pennsylvania

3080
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:28,960
now that includes wild areas now inside

3081
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:31,520
the wild areas you may have

3082
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,400
five or six state game lands and then

3083
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,560
then you have just state game lands

3084
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,159
and then you have preservation areas

3085
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:40,239
where you can't hunt you can hike in it

3086
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:41,679
but you can't do anything else you can

3087
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:43,199
hike in it you can't camp in it you

3088
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:44,880
can't go build a bonfire you can't ride

3089
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:46,159
your motorcycle through it you can't do

3090
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,280
anything you can hike in it

3091
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:49,040
that's what you're allowed to do and

3092
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:50,880
those preservation areas

3093
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:53,360
there must be 40 or 50 of those and

3094
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:54,639
they're inside of

3095
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:58,639
wild areas so you got you know

3096
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,760
these areas that probably people haven't

3097
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,880
been in in years

3098
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,960
that's just that's just it you know we

3099
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:06,880
talk about these cryptic settings

3100
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,840
and albeit you know bigfoot sayings

3101
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:11,280
who's the same

3102
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:13,280
areas people have been going in that

3103
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:14,719
they're not they're not hanging up in

3104
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:15,599
there

3105
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:18,320
sure and and you know that that takes me

3106
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:18,719
to

3107
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:21,360
my little theory which i've been laughed

3108
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,159
at a couple times for my guys but

3109
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,960
i have a problem somewhere in my mind i

3110
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,159
have this problem

3111
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,320
with people mailing pork chops to trees

3112
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,000
sorry sean

3113
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:34,239
uh you know throwing out donuts and

3114
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:35,040
bacon

3115
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:38,719
and hot dogs and wrapping on trees with

3116
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:41,440
axes axe handles and screaming top of

3117
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:42,560
their lungs and running through the

3118
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:44,159
woods with flaming sticks and all that

3119
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:45,520
stuff

3120
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:47,599
and a couple reports and i picked out

3121
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:48,880
about half a dozen

3122
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:51,520
just just for my own benefit to show

3123
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:53,119
that i wasn't really losing it yet

3124
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,880
where a sighting takes place

3125
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,119
and somebody says well it just went over

3126
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:01,520
this little hill and it disappeared

3127
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:03,119
okay well there were a couple of those

3128
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:04,400
and there were some where they just

3129
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:05,520
disappeared while they were watching

3130
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:06,560
them and then there's something where

3131
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:07,840
they just ran off and they

3132
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,679
kind of tried to track them but they

3133
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:11,520
couldn't track them

3134
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,800
and i'm thinking so okay

3135
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:16,560
why are we not looking for bigfoot's

3136
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,669
it has to have trash yeah yeah you know

3137
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:25,199
sean you submitted something that

3138
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,760
me once before didn't you yeah but i

3139
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:29,360
think uh it was off the

3140
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,880
i i honestly think it was off a

3141
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:32,400
conversation that we had with butch

3142
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:33,360
before but oh maybe

3143
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,719
a good point maybe it was

3144
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,639
that sticks in my mind i mean and i i

3145
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:40,159
thought it was a pretty good idea be

3146
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:41,199
honest with you

3147
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:42,719
i mean there has to be trash there has

3148
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,480
to be little ones

3149
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:46,880
nobody ever sees little ones well bobo

3150
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:48,080
sees little ones

3151
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:50,320
but a dog up a tree would be a small

3152
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,159
sasquatch to bobo

3153
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:55,199
so we have

3154
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:03,109
and plus the males so

3155
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,760
where do they stay where do they

3156
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,960
congregate

3157
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:09,360
they need water they don't need fire but

3158
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:10,719
they need water

3159
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,149
so you know where do they take their nap

3160
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:20,639
where do they take care of their little

3161
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:21,360
ones and their

3162
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:24,719
their families i mean so

3163
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:27,199
in my opinion we should be looking in

3164
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:28,239
caves

3165
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:31,119
um which pennsylvania is loaded with

3166
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:32,800
them

3167
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,560
caves and um old buildings

3168
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,719
old factories which pennsylvania is

3169
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:40,080
riddled with especially up in the

3170
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:41,840
northern end of the town uh northern end

3171
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,719
of the state

3172
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,480
there were shoe factories i found

3173
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,159
abandoned shoe factories clothing

3174
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:48,239
factories parachute factories

3175
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:52,480
car part factories um

3176
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:55,599
pot places that made pots and pans

3177
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:59,040
dishes glassware and these places have

3178
01:52:02,709 --> 01:52:00,239
been abandoned since

3179
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:02,719
some of them in the late 1800s and

3180
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,119
they're still there

3181
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:07,920
so you know you got a factory say and

3182
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,960
then when i started

3183
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:10,159
pinpointing just a couple of the

3184
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:11,440
factories i didn't want to get too into

3185
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:12,880
it because it's going to be a whole lot

3186
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:14,080
of work for that

3187
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:15,599
and i really going to need help on that

3188
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:17,119
but

3189
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:19,040
i pinpointed a couple of reports and

3190
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:21,119
just did some overheads and did some

3191
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:22,239
research

3192
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:26,000
and i didn't find any with caves close

3193
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:27,119
by but i found

3194
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:30,080
three that there were old buildings

3195
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,599
within a mile

3196
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:34,320
and within a half a mile to a quarter to

3197
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:36,800
half a mile of those old buildings

3198
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:40,000
were streams or creeks and in one case a

3199
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:41,119
river

3200
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,679
so there's the water there's the housing

3201
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:47,520
we should be looking at that yeah i

3202
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:49,040
think that i think they very well may

3203
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:50,960
utilize those old factories

3204
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:52,159
i mean who's going to go into an old

3205
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:53,840
factory who would go into an old factory

3206
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:54,800
looking for bigfoot

3207
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,400
nobody sean well sean might i would

3208
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:01,280
yeah sean would but but really if you

3209
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:02,800
you know if you talk to any investigator

3210
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:03,520
and say uh

3211
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:05,440
bigfoot invest investigator equipment

3212
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:06,880
investigators say

3213
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:10,400
uh well did you have you gone into any

3214
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:11,760
old factories or anything looking for

3215
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:12,480
them

3216
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:13,599
they probably looked at you like you

3217
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:16,560
were crazy but that makes sense

3218
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:19,520
but they have to have trash yeah you

3219
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,040
know they're sure not laying a little

3220
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:22,800
one out in the middle of the woods in a

3221
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,719
in below zero temperatures in the snow

3222
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,560
well this all comes down to my theory

3223
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:30,719
about trail cams and candy bars and then

3224
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:32,239
raccoons

3225
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:35,440
so you put the candy bar out by the

3226
01:53:38,830 --> 01:53:37,199
trail cam and then you see the raccoon

3227
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:38,840
dating the candy bar you never see the

3228
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,400
bigfoot

3229
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,239
so you know i i think you know i think

3230
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:44,080
you you're right about that

3231
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:47,040
i mean the most unexpected places are

3232
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:48,800
probably the places where you should be

3233
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:49,599
looking

3234
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,760
yeah and uh yeah you know people say

3235
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:53,119
well they're really good at hiding you

3236
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:54,480
know the hide-and-seek champion of the

3237
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:55,280
world

3238
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:57,440
no i think they're hiding in plain sight

3239
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,400
that may very well be

3240
01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:02,880
i mean it's just just an opinion and i

3241
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:05,199
mean it's just a thought and a theory

3242
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:06,880
but i know that this summer i'm going to

3243
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,239
try it because i found

3244
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,719
two places that had a number of

3245
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:12,320
sightings and still do

3246
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,440
up in uh in that area and uh

3247
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:17,360
in those two locations both have old

3248
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,560
buildings one actually has an old town

3249
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:23,520
and the other place has a building uh

3250
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:25,360
railroad tracks and an old

3251
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:27,199
train station all abandoned for many

3252
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:29,040
many many many years

3253
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:38,149
well look know i i agree with you and uh

3254
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,119
you know

3255
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:42,000
going to have to get you come back here

3256
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:42,960
after we do this

3257
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:45,040
round table because i'm quite sure we're

3258
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:46,239
going to have to we're going to have a

3259
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:48,000
lot of stuff to decide

3260
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:51,920
over there so i think we have a lot to

3261
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:53,119
talk about for a long time i think we

3262
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:54,000
will

3263
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:58,080
so uh sean you want to wrap this up

3264
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,000
yeah i do but first before we wrap it up

3265
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:02,480
and again budge thanks for

3266
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:04,159
coming on to the program i just wanted

3267
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:05,520
to put something out there for the folks

3268
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,719
who might be listening to the show

3269
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:09,119
folks you know if you're having a

3270
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:10,639
problem in life and things aren't going

3271
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:12,159
right there's other ways to do things

3272
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,760
besides to end it

3273
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:15,280
and one of the things i'd like to do is

3274
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,719
because we have such a forum lon and

3275
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:18,080
butch to point out that there is

3276
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,560
someone you can talk to and if you're

3277
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:22,080
feeling down or you need someone to talk

3278
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:23,360
to and you having thoughts that just

3279
01:55:28,350 --> 01:55:24,960
don't make you feel right

3280
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,360
the national suicide prevention hotline

3281
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:30,000
1-800-273-talk

3282
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:36,000
that's 1-800-2732 1-800-273-8255

3283
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:37,360
and you'll be rooted to the nearest

3284
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:39,199
crisis center to receive some immediate

3285
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:42,159
counseling don't end it folks

3286
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:44,000
and that's what i want to leave us with

3287
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:45,440
yeah we want you to come back and listen

3288
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:46,800
to us that's right yeah we're going to

3289
01:55:53,149 --> 01:55:48,159
have great stories after

3290
01:55:56,030 --> 01:55:54,629
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3291
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:56,040
and you can go to the website

3292
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:57,679
arcaneradio.com but give them your

3293
01:56:03,270 --> 01:55:58,840
website

3294
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:03,280
wwe and they can find us on facebook

3295
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:04,560
and there you have it folks you've been

3296
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:07,040
listening to arcane radio shawn forker

3297
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:08,719
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